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World War One / Christmas 1917 near the front
« on: Tuesday 08 June 21 04:48 BST (UK)  »
Christmas 1917  At the front.

2nd Lieut Harold Edgar arrived in France early November 1917. He had one period at the front and then went on a machine gun & mortar training course over Xmas. His fellow officers were New Zealanders and British from several different regiments.

This was Xmas Dinner in the snow

From his diary  23/12/1917.
”We are about 20 miles away from the line here & comparatively speaking are very comfortable. There is another N.Z. officer in the same hut with me, called Godfrey, & four Tommy officers, all very decent sorts. We have a fairly warm hut with a stove, real beds with spring mattresses & two washstands with ware complete (a wonderful sight in this benighted land). The only difficulty is that it is hard to get coal but we get over this by going out at night & stealing it. It has commenced to freeze here & though we haven't had any snow yet the cold is intense & it is hard work to keep warm. The ground is like iron & all the trees & hedges are a beautiful sight in the mornings.
   We are about two miles from French town which Fritzy shells from 20 miles away with a naval gun but so far he hasn't commenced shelling this spot & the noise of the guns sounds very remote from here - more like carpet beating than anything else."




Menu front (attached)



Menu back (attached)

NZ
Harold. Edgar 2/Lt NZEF
Hugh. H. Godfrey NZEF
O. A. Andrews 1/Lt NZEF
W. Auckland  [?NZEF]

UK
    Bodwell  Ysh Rgt  2/Lt
T. Booth Lt  1/6/West -------  att 147 T.M.B
M. W. Flower 2/Lt 2/4 E. Lan  R
G. Lloyd-Jones  Lanc Fus.
W. R.Oates  2/Lt  1/8 West Yorks
G. Matthews  1/8 West York R.
A. Paley  2/8 Lancashire Fusiliers

Any corrections to the names and further details of the Regiments would be much appreciated.

Harold's complete diary in the form of letters (irregular but almost weekly) to his wife, father and members of his Law firm from the day he left home, his training in New Zealand, the voyage to England, Brocton and Sling training camps in England and at the front till his return. All have been sorted, typed and prepared for publication. They cover a period from November 1917 to August 1919, as he served in Germany after conflict ceased. He has no living descendants.

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Hi Seany,

A few more details re Pioneer Hotel.
11/6/1914  William Schoenmaker has the licence.
3/6/1915  William Warren to A. E. Fox application for transfer of licence - adjourned.
6/7/1915  Transfer adjourned until "very extensive repairs or new building".  Council forming a drain from outside the Pioneer to the river.
8/12/15   further adjourned till 20/1/16
20/1/16   application for renewal of licence but committee decided that a renewal of licence would not be granted unless a new building was erected.
25/1/16  Mr Durragh has taken over the Pioneer and a new building replaces the old.
9/6/16  a new licence was granted to Mr Durragh.

8/2/18 Mr Durragh's house badly damaged by fire. He still has the licence for the Pioneer.

It seems that Fox was represented by the lawyer at each meeting of the Licensing Committee. I could find no evidence that Fox was even in  Hokitika during that period.

I should be in that town in the near future.  Will ask around for some history of the hotel.

MalNZ

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New Zealand Resources & Offers / Re: Motueka Research
« on: Monday 08 August 16 06:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi Neil,

Many thanks for those details.  I thought it was closer to Motueka.

Cheers

Malnz

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New Zealand Resources & Offers / Re: Motueka Research
« on: Sunday 07 August 16 00:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi Neil

May I take up your kind offer.

This painting in the Fletcher Trust Collection is of some interest to me

W GEISLER (b.1828,d.1897)
Knight's Swamp Motueka
Oil On Canvas, 190 x 275.
(it can be googled using the title)

Where is Knight's swamp and what did the family do there in the ?1860-1880 before some shifted to Auckland?
William and Mary Knight and 10 children are the family.

I note that you have "Campbell" as one of your interests.  Are you interested in the details of  James Wishart Campbell.
b. 23/6/1873 Tezpur, Assam, India, d. 24/11/1956 Christchurch, NZ.  A dentist in Rangiora, Christchurch, Kumara and Hamilton.  Educated in Scotland and engineering apprentice in Edinburgh (age 17).

Cheers

Malnz



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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Keteonetea
« on: Monday 05 January 15 00:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Kathleen,

You are in luck as a detailed history of that area has recently been published with a map of the local Pa in South Taranaki.  Map 2 in the following book. Keteonetea should be just a few km est of Normanby.

Ngati Ruanui: A History
Author  Tony Sole

ISBN 186969 180 6

Perhaps contact Ngati Ruanui Management group :  www.ruanui.co.nz/

Cheers
MalNZ

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: MILLS Joseph & Martha (nee WILTSHIRE)
« on: Tuesday 15 October 13 11:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi bails,

Have been out of my tree for some weeks, and have just read that you are needing details of some distant relatives of mine.
Be wary of the photos, there are at least 2 probably unrelated Mills families in Nelson in the mid-late 1800's and I dont know whether any of the present-day families have seen and identified them with any certainty. Some details below were taken in 2002 from
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mpearce/family/a/j/e/359.html

Your Mills family is part of the Mills-Blick-Manning-Harman and others complex of Nelson and Marlborough.

William James Shipton Mills  bapt. Tetbury 4/10/1807  d. 30/8/1892
m. Hannah Blick  b 1808   marr. 8/6/1829, Minchinhampton
children  John, Anne, Joseph, Charlotte and James

as per 1841 and 1851 censuses already noted above - (but I have an unchecked note to say that ages given in either the ship's list or the censuses may conflict (1841 census age may be rounded down to the nearest 5 years for those above age 15)

Arrived (in steerage) on "Queen of the Avon"  London (Gravesend) 23/3/1859,  arr Wellington 13/7/1859, arr Nelson 27/7/1859
Anne had married Llewellyn Manning and came with the other Mills on this ship.

The family was sponsored by William's brother in law, the weaver, Thomas Blick (d 1860) but passage (but not John's) was paid for by his son James.  John Mills apparently was sponsored and booked (and recorded?) for the same passage but came later on the "Wild Duck".  The money for his passage was paid for by Thomas and Henry Harman.  Thomas Harman was the Mills' uncle by his marriage to Ann Blick, Hannah's sister.

Joseph and Martha had (my unchecked records)
William John Mills 1858-
Sarah Jane Mills 1860-
Edwin Thomas Mills 1862-
Frederick Henry Mills 1864-1954
Joseph Alfred Mills 1866-1873
Charlotte Mills 1867-
Mary Ann Mills 1869-1940
William Mills 1871-

Joseph's sister Charlotte later married her cousin Benjamin Blick.

One day I'll count the number of cousins Joseph had in Nelson - there must be about 20 or more ( I think I am his cousin thrice removed!!!).

Cheers

MalNZ

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Sullivan Family .. Help Please?
« on: Thursday 18 July 13 06:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Then there is the Peter Sullivan the piano tuner- photographer's assistant up for stealing in Timaru in 1900. Quoted as
"recently come to Timaru"

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=THD19001210.2.31

If he is the same person as the tobacconist he has tried his hand at everything, which may fit the comment on his mental ability in this article

MalNZ

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Hi,

Oops - didn't read some details on the page 1 entries

see James Duncan obit.   http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC1600361/pdf/brmedj00003-0062.pdf

Cheers

MalNZ

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