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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Saturday 12 March 22 20:18 GMT (UK)  »
Sybil's nicknames included Bill Billie & Barbara. - source family info.
Please be aware that one of Sybil's sons and her daughter in law are still living.
Valsgirl

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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Friday 11 March 22 05:46 GMT (UK)  »
I'm the Author of this subject & I'm completely lost, so I'll do a bit of back tracking!

There is a fixation among forum members that Harold George Crase is Sybil Edith Crase's father.
Repeating myself, but why has Sybil said her father is John Robert Crase from NSW in a newspaper marriage notice, and on her marriage certificate? It's also stated that her parents are dead - died pre 1923. 
Edith Annie Forster, nee Douglas  doesn't marry H G Crase until 1902 (Sybil born 1901). When Edith & Harold's divorce is aired in court, all Edith's dirty linen is aired. I presume  an illegitimate child would be mentioned.
Marion K Kemp, Harold's 2nd wife was at Adelaide Conservatorium for 3 years, graduating in December 1903. During that time, Marion is performing in concerts etc. I doubt she's had time to have a baby to Harold G Crase, 9 years before she marries him. 
Re Forster death certificate - note death recorded Jan 1901. Edith & George Forster were divorced in Dec 1898, after 6 months marriage, from  Jan - June 1896. I need to check again for a Forster birth.
I have missed the fact that Sybil is living with Harold Crase's Mother in Law, in Subiaco, Perth. When? Address? Can someone please post that source?
Eleanor Crase. I agree it is possible she is a relation. Maybe even a sister - I can't find a birth record for her.
We have enough ideas & names on this forum post to confuse us all, without me adding Sybil's Adelaide Conservatorium Benefactor. She was a rich "old Lady" that I suspect helped many young ladies with musical talent.
So good to have lots of helpful input. Thanks everyone.
Valsgirl


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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Wednesday 09 March 22 20:02 GMT (UK)  »
Beryl Emily Douglas Crase born Sept 1903 NSW & died April 1904 aged 7 months in W Aus. Her parents Harold George Crase & Edith Annie Crase. Both birth & death notices are reported in Newspaper.
Edith Annie walked away from her first 1896 NSW marriage to George Forster,after 6 months, and is granted a divorce in 1898. In 1902 Edith marries Harold George Crase in Perth W Aus. Their son Douglas Crase is born May 1905 W Aus. Edith & Harold 's marriage according to many "juicy" newspaper articles is an unhappy one. Articles relating to a Crase v Crase Court case fill the reader in on much of Edith's background and state that the couple had two children a deceased daughter and living son.
My thought is that had Sybil been an illegitimate child (born 1901 between Edith Annie's marriages) this fact would have been mentioned in court.  For this reason I have really questioned if Harold George & Edith Annie are Sybil's parents.

Edith Annie Crase died 1911 W Aus.

Harold remarries Marion Kirkland.

Hope this makes it all clearer.

re 1904 Ships Passenger List. Mr & Mrs H G Crase & child. Surprisingly there are a few Crase (and variations / misspellings) around. Worth looking at?  I'm not convinced they're the Harold George Crase family.

re Adelaide Conservatorium. A generous man replied to an email I sent to the Con. and I have details of Sybil's tuition payment. Another name! I'm convinced this person is not related to Sybil.
Once again Thanks to all who have contributed to this topic.
Valsgirl   

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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Tuesday 08 March 22 22:31 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for your suggestions, JM
A good point, you make. which I have tried.
Having an unusual surname can have benefits for researchers, but often when it comes to relying on transcriptions, one has to think of all the alternatives. But -- thank heavens for transcribers!
Valsgirl

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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Tuesday 08 March 22 19:45 GMT (UK)  »
Tree Spirit, I had missed the Children's pages letters. Amazing find, thank you very much.
 I will follow this lead.Thanks also to others who have added more to Tree Spirit's find.
Sybil's 94 yr old daughter in law is my friend and I'm compiling a list of surnames, to see if any may be familiar to her. I didn't remember that NSW birth certs recorded Mother's birthplace, so appreciate that reminder.
Will also see if Sybil's passports have been kept. Sybil's granddaughter was her travelling companion, hence the knowledge about two passports. 
I did hope Edith Annie Douglas / Forster / Crase might be a likely Mum for Sybil. Quite a character if we can believe all we read in the papers. Throughout the many, mostly marriage related, articles I can only find 2 children, Beryl (died young) and Douglas. I have scoured the relevant records for Douglas & Forster births.  Edith's 2nd husband, Harold George Crase was a well known businessman
(sourced from Trove) so I felt if he was Sybil's father / Step Father / Guardian, Sybil's marriage notice & cert. wouldn't have said J R Crase was her father, and acknowledges Harold in some way. Also checked Harold's tree & couldn't find a likely J R.
Many thanks to everyone for their help. This is a project I have been working on for a while, but as always, this forum of clever genealogists is providing me with some new paths to follow.
Cheers to you all,
Valsgirl

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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Tuesday 08 March 22 06:44 GMT (UK)  »
Wivenhoe, I hadn't mentioned Sybil's marriage witnesses as I don't feel the names are relevant to my Birth info query. I have  E (Eleanor) Crase's details, and those of the other witness, a friend of the groom.
One of Sybil's sons is still living so we do not discuss them on this forum. please. Apart from that, her son's birth certs will not help me to find Sybil's birthplace.
Thanks,
Valsgirl

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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Tuesday 08 March 22 06:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, I've considered that, Madys52, as I felt someone must have paid for this education.
I can't see any Adelaide Con records online, but have a website so will inquire via that.
I appreciate your suggestion,
Valsgirl

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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Tuesday 08 March 22 04:26 GMT (UK)  »
"Trying to find a birth record for Sybil Edith Crase. Born about 1901, possibly in Australia. Sybil held both a British (possibly, her right by descent) & Australian passport."

Please note - I'm a family friend and aware of Sybil's life after her marriage - as I have previously stated. Therefore her Marriage facts & Death record are known to me. I'd only like to find Sylvia's birth and details of her parents. Sybil was very cagey about her parents / birthplace, telling the family they didn't need to know that!

Thank you, judb, for your interest in my quest.
I don't know Sybil's Mum's name & cannot find a likely marriage or death for Sylvia's parents. We wonder if the very "theatrical" Sybil made up her father's name, but to have it printed in the newspaper & to have a Miss E Crase as a witness at her marriage, surely has to have some truth to it. One thought is that Sybil was adopted & took on the surname Crase. But who then are Mr & Mrs J R Crase?.
With thanks,
Valsgirl
   
 

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Australia / Re: Sybil Edith Crase
« on: Tuesday 08 March 22 01:58 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for your interest, Wivenhoe.
I already have the information in your answer. Note my initial query.
Valsgirl

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