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Isle of Man / Gibbon MacKewley of Ballanard ..... was in the Keys in AD 1502
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 16:14 BST (UK)  »
My late mother's Kewley ancestry was "Of Ballanard" and the above statement appears in "Manx Names" by A W Moore, page 154. My Kewley tree is only about 2 generations short of Gibbon Mac Kewley and I would rather like to know more about him if anyone knows.

Thanks,

Aceh

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Sussex / Hale family (shoemakers) - who were the parents of Mary born Brighton 1838?
« on: Sunday 11 February 24 15:47 GMT (UK)  »
This is an old problem that I have returned to once and awhile with no certain result.
My 2 x great-great grandmother, Mary was, according to her birth certificate, born on 5 May 1838 at 12, Riding School Lane, Brighton, Sussex. Father Joseph Hale, Shoemaker; Mother Susan Hale formerly Williams. Birth registration: Q2 1838, Brighton, Volume 7, Page 246.
Mary was married on 23 December 1857 at St Paul's Finsbury, Middlesex, to Alfred Cullmer of the Royal London Militia. The marriage certificate records that Mary's father was John Hale, Shoemaker.
Mary has not been found on the 1841 Census, but there was a John Hale aged 30, warehousman in Shoreditch, born within the county, with wife Elizabeth, but I don't think he is connected.  Mary has been found in the 1851 Census she is recorded, aged 13 and born in Brighton, as the daughter of Sarah Hale, widow, Shoe Closer, born: "n K". Sarah also has sons aged 4 and 1 month, sugesting that she was only recently widowed. It is interesting to note that on the next line there appears " Harriett Healls", Head, unmarried, aged 29 born London, with daughter Ellen aged 10, born London. Harriett is described as a Shoe Binder. The following page was 'missing' it seems, as it was not sent to me out in Sumatra. Mary appears again, in the 1881 Census, as married to Alfred Cullmer with her place of birth confirmed as Brighton.
As there are several people in this tale named Hale in the shoe making trade, both in Brighton and in London it occurs to me that there may have been an extended family named Hale, in Brighton and possibly later in London, making shoes. Does anyone have any connection with Hale families or the shoemaking trade that might throw some light on this gordian knot? I would like to trace Mary's ancestral line back if that's possible, but for that I do need accurately to establish her parentage - no likely marriage found so far.

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Quaker Family History / Austell family of Quakers
« on: Tuesday 09 May 17 16:57 BST (UK)  »
I descend from William Austell Jnr, who it is suggested, "died a prisoner for the truth" on 12 December 1692. I also have his marriage date but nothing of his date of birth, which I believe was in the village of Oare, near Pusey, in Wiltshire. It is believed that his father William Austell Snr, also of Oare, was married to a Dorothy, whose birth family is unknown. I have found no details of births, or marriage for this couple, but they are recorded to have died within days of each other in 1679. It is further suggested that Dorothy and her son William Austell Jnr were the first of the Austell family to join the Society of Friends; whether William Snr also became a member is unknown.
I am hoping to trace this family back in time into the 16th century, beyond its association with the Quaker movement, so if anyone out there is also researching this family or can offer further information, I should be very gratefull to learn of it. 

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Devon / Unitarian Mint Meeting of Exeter - George Osborn b 17-1-1790
« on: Monday 01 May 17 17:21 BST (UK)  »
My 3 x great grandfather George Osborn was described in the 1841 census for Shoreditch in London as being born outside of the County of Middlesex. He inconveniently died before the 1851 census so we have the whole country to search apart from Middlesex. But there are some clues:
1. He married a Quaker lass who was hence expelled for marrying out, so he was not a Quaker.
2. His decendents for a couple of generations were non-conformists, but of unknown ilk.
3. We have a letter from a now deceased relative who tells us that her mother told her that the 2 daughters of George's son James used to wear Quaker style dress and went about doing good works - this may of course been due to the influence of grandmother.
4. George's death certificate puts his birth around 1784.
5. There was a George Osborn, born to George & Sarah Osborn of the Mint Meeting in Exeter, who was born in 1784 according to Family Search.

Have I struck lucky? I have found that in fact Exeter George born 1784 was swiftly followed by Exeter George born 1790, so presumeably the earlier George had died. But I have been unable to find burials for either. If they were indeed buried in Exeter or there abouts, neither could have been my 3 x great grandfather, end of story as far as Devon is concerned.

Is anyone researching Osborns or the Mint Meeting in Exeter, who can shine any light; even the dimest would be useful.

Many thanks in anticipation

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London and Middlesex / Which William Payne?
« on: Sunday 06 November 16 17:24 GMT (UK)  »
My 3x great grandfather Joseph Johnson married an Ann Pane at St Dunstan, Stepney on 23 November 1800. Their recorded abode was MENT ie Mile End New Town. Having this information I then looked for Ann's baptism and found Prudence Ann Payne, daughter of William Payne and his wife Ann at St Mary Whitechapel on 20 April 1783; their abode again being recorded as MENT. So far, so good. Both of these events took place in Anglican churches.
However, recent additional and possibly related burial data from another researcher leads to the possibility that both Joseph Johnson and his wife were from non-conformist backgrounds, so to be sure I was on the right track, I tried to establish whether the Payne family that I was concerned with were non-conformist.
Also living in Stepney in the mid 18th century was a Captain William Payne who baptised all of his children at St Dunstan. He appears prominently in Dereck Morris's book on "Mile End Old Town 1740 - 1780". From Dereck's notes lodged at the Tower Hamlets Local History, I found that Captain William Payne had baptised a son William on 7 September 1762. There seemingly being no other Payne family in the Stepney / Whitechapel area, and 1762 would fit the baptism of William, the father of Prudence Ann very nicely, except Dereck records that this William was burned to death along with his younger brother in a house fire at the age of 4.
So, not quite so straightforward after all. Ok, all is not lost as Captain William Payne, in memory of this dead son, baptises another son William on 9 December 1769. But hang on a minute, this William is 7 years younger that the one who died; doing the numbers, this William would have had to have been only 13 - 14 years old when he sired Prudence Ann - seems somewhat unlikely. Elsewhere on the internet it is suggested that this William was washed off the deck of a ship heading for China during a storm, which, had he been the correct father of the bride, would explain why he was not a witness at the marriage of my 3 x great grandparents.

So, I have no backward link and nothing to confirm non-conformist Paynes

Hunting through Family Search, FindMyPast etc I can find other Paynes, in the West End, in Hackey and a family of non-conformists in Holborn, but none of them seem to fit Ann Pane or Prudence Ann Payne of Mile End New Town.

Is anyone else out there researching Payne / Pane or similar?

Thanks in anticipation.     

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Occupation Interests / Tailoring trade between the wars
« on: Friday 29 July 16 12:35 BST (UK)  »
As a young man straight out of school aged 14 in 1923, my late father went to work in a tailor's shop in the East End of London, and for some time he was doing quite well learning the ropes and rising in the ranks as it were. However, the tailoring chain for whom he worked were black-listed for "touting" and the shops and the staff of those shops were also black-listed with the result that my father could never again get a job in tailoring. According to my dictionary, to Tout is to "Solicit custom; pester possible customers for orders; ...." and other definitions relating to horse racing. From what my father said "touting" was considered a very serious offence in the trade, and staff, whether guilty or innocent lost their jobs.
Does anyone know anything about this; it seems to have been a practice prevalent in the lower ranks of the tailoring trade at the time but no longer so?

Aceh

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Norfolk / Family of James Johnson & Mary at St Clement Norwich from 1710 onwards
« on: Wednesday 06 April 16 17:27 BST (UK)  »
I'm hoping there may be other researchers out there looking at this family.
I am trying to make the link between a will written in 1766 by Paul Johnson at Whitechapel in Middlesex and this family in Norwich.

Paul was buried at St Mary Whitechapel on 10 February 1768 and in the register entry his age at death is given as 57 years, so we (that's another researcher and I, working together using email) are looking a his birth being around 1710 - 11. We have not been able to find this on Ancestry or Find my Past or elsewhere until I saw on Family Search "Johnson" with no forename, son of James Johnson and Mary being baptised at St Clement Norwich on 19 December 1710. The LDS film shows the register book to have suffered severe water damage, the forename being hidden in a mass of black. However, using Photoshop, I have been able to enhance the image to the extent of being able to see P..l, I think. Someone else believes there is a "u" as well.

This is subjective and not sufficient to be sure that this is correct. In the will, Paul leaves a legacy to his sister Mary, his sole surviving sibling, who is married to a Mr Woodman, and her two unmarried daughters. From another film, the register book of St Benedict Norwich records the baptism on 11 February 1734 of Mary, daughter of James and Mary. Admittedly this is a different parish, but a James and Mary also appear in the registers of St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, and St Clement, Norwich in the interim period. I'm thinking Paul as possibly the first child and Mary the last child, as there were 24 years between their baptisms.

So, I am trying to find a marriage, sometime around the 1750s, perhaps in Norfolk, perhaps elsewhere, between Mary Johnson and Mr Woodman. We have found a suitable marriage on the 23 April 1758 at Wooton South, Norfolk but the groom was a John Betts not Mr Woodman. This is the only marriage that we've found.

So, that's where things stand at the moment. I'm hoping that someone out there in Norfolk might have come across this Johnson family or can suggest a way forward. I should add that Paul Johnson was a prominent Ropemaker in Whitechapel so it may be that the Johnsons in Norfolk were in the same trade.

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Occupation Interests / Ropemakers between 1750 and 1850
« on: Saturday 10 October 15 16:38 BST (UK)  »
I have Johnson ancestors who were hemp & flax dressers, twine spinners and ropemakers in various ropeyards from Portsmouth round to Great Yarmouth, including London docklands, the Thames and the Medway, during the century between 1750 to 1850. From Admiralty records, a small group appear to have been an itinerant family gang, probably brothers / cousins who are found at Portsmouth in 1806 and again at Chatham in 1808. Some appear later in the east end of London and elsewhere. After the end of the Napoleonic wars it seems they went there separate ways working in different places.
Trying to track these folk, especially all with the common name of Johnson, is proving difficult. Is anyone else out there researching the ropemaking trade? If so I should be glad of any advice. as far as I am aware there is no Ropemakers Index.

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Devon / Bow (Mint Meeting?) or Georges Meeting House-Presbytarian, Exeter
« on: Sunday 12 October 14 20:54 BST (UK)  »
George Osborn, a candidate for one of my 3 x great grandfathers, was allegedly baptised at the
"Bow (Mint Meeting?) or Georges Meeting House" in Exeter on  19 December 1784.

I believe that my ancestor was the George Osborn, by then a widower, who married the youngest daughter of a Quaker family at St Antholin, Budge Row in the City of London on 9 June 1817. Working back from the 1841 census for Hoxton (not born within the county) where he worked as a dyer scourer and glove cleaner, his age would have been consistent with a birth around 1784.

Is it certain that the Bow / Mint meeting house was Presbyterian; could it have been Quaker? Although Quaker records do not show a family by the name of Osborn in Hoxton or thereabouts, family anecdotes supported by a letter from a now deceased relative assert that the family were Quakers (or perhaps Unitarians) and the description of the dress of the ladies around 1900 seems to support this. Alas there is no photograph.

I should be grateful for any advice or assistance in confirming whether my George of Hoxton was the George baptised in Exeter.

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