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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with Welsh Placename
« on: Monday 08 April 24 17:38 BST (UK)  »
Hello
Please can you help me identify the name of Mary Wilcox' birthplace in the 1861 census. She was born in Wales but was in the Southwark area from at least 1814 onwards.

Mary Pugh - 1783-6 ish, born Llan...(??), Montgomeryshire. Ancestry thinks it says Llanwehyn but that doesn't seem to exist.
other refs:
1814 Married James Willcocks in St Mary Newington, London. He was a Tanner from Totnes in Devon.
1841 census (Mary Willcox, 55), St John Horsleydown, Southwark
1851 census (Mary Willcocks, 66) - St John Horsleydown, Southwark. Gives place of birth Montgomery, Wales
1861 census (Mary Wilcox, 78) -St John Horsleydown, Southwark.  Place of birth: see attached.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Is there something written under this smudge?
« on: Monday 03 December 18 16:15 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure where to put this, but I'll start with the handwriting/smudge first!

This is from nonconformist records for Wolverhampton (Darlington Street chapel) relating to the Smith family of Coven in Staffordshire.
They were Methodists, and the Smith family gave land and money for the Methodist Chapel in Coven. They were farmer> locksmiths>engineers over the years so quite wealthy.

I have three generations of these John Smiths fairly well documented and various family baptised at Darlington Street, but I can't fit this John/Joanna/Mary baptism in yet.

Am curious if there is something written under the smudge. Would that be a middle name or something else?

Further down the same page is what appears to be the same record, this time under the surname Farmer with parents John Smith and Johanna in the same box- is this a transcription error with each box shifted one column?

Don't want to confuse with too much detail,  one of the John Smiths of Coven (Farmer) died in Mar 1836, so it is possible that if it had anything to do with this John, that he was deceased at the time of this baptism.

Would appreciate your thoughts.

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Hiya all

I have a person who puts their father's occupation on their marriage certificate to be Spinner (he was born ?? in c1807, occupation given in London 1845)

I have another person with the same father's name who puts their father's occupation to be "Cloth Manufacturer" (he was born Leeds 1797, occupation given London 1837).

Does anyone know if these could be the same occupation or would this indicate a wide difference (like between Ag Lab and Farmer say).

The 1807 person is my ancestor and very difficult to trace, so I'm exploring other families with the same name who live nearby in London to see if I can find links back to my ancestor. I know this is clutching at straws a little but it passes the time :D

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Where are these Bushell children in 1901?
« on: Thursday 05 May 11 20:50 BST (UK)  »
Hello

My gt-grandmother was Sarah Elizabeth Meller, born 1847 in Lambeth. Her sister was Margaret Hannah Meller, born 1851. Their father died in Feb 1851, when the mother was pregnant with Margaret, and just a few months before the census, so I don't know a lot about him.

I've got the occurrences of Sarah and Margaret in the censuses, and various certificates, but little on their father John Meller (1807-1851).

This is a bit of a long-shot, but I have just noticed that married Margaret in 1911 has a niece and nephew with her. They are most likely on her husband's side but I thought it worth checking them out to make sure it doesn't open the magic Meller-brickwall!

But I cannot find them in 1901.

The 1911 census Margaret Carroll, Head, Widow,  b Lambeth
Jane Geir?, Visitor, Widow, 62, b Lambeth
George Bushell Lodger, 25, General Labourer b Lambeth
Ada Bushell Niece 15 Servant b Lambeth   
William Bushell Nephew 12 School b Lambeth   
Thomas Smith Lodger Widower Painter Lambeth
John Bean  Lodger  Costermonger,bLambeth

Margaret marries Thomas Carroll in 1872, so the Bushell niece nephew could be on the Carroll side and nothing to do with Mellers at all (in fact I think this most likely) - I don't know a great deal about the Carroll side but mostly because I haven't really looked. I'm not sure - the only contender I can find for George Bushell (who is presumably related somehow) in 1901 is born in Reading, so not 100% on him, though it could suggest birthplaces are not that great on this page :O). I cannot seem to find the two Bushell children in 1901 though - wondered if anyone else wanted to have a search to see if they could find William and Ada in 1901?

best wishes and many thanks in advance
Dilly

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Hi all

I have seen the records of the British Lying-in Hospital (St Giles in the Fields, Holborn) and my ancestor and his wife appear to have been due to have their baby at the hospital in May 1761.

These records are part of the Non-Conformist BMDs available at S&N/TheGenealogist so I can give the details to anyone who has a subscription and can take a look, but basically it's a list of married women checking in and having their babies, with columns for "Day of order for Admission", "Time of Reckoning" (due date?), "Came in", "Delivered", "Baptized", "Woman Discharged".

For my ancestor, there is a line through the columns from "Came in" through to "Child Baptized" that says "Out of Time". The discharge date is given as 21st August, though she seems to have been admitted (and been due) mid May.

Does this mean she got her dates wrong and ran out of her allocated time she was allowed to stay at the hospital and was still pregnant when discharged, or did she just not show up? Or was she not pregnant?

It seems to happen occasionally (once every few pages) - and the date of discharge always seems to be about 3 months from date of admission.

Anyone encountered this before?

best wishes
dilly


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Worcestershire / PUGH PEW and maybe MASONs in Pershore
« on: Thursday 17 September 09 23:27 BST (UK)  »
This might make you smile!
So, in London in the early 1800's, Francis Mason Pew and Elizabeth have a batch of children - Sarah Mason Pew (1801), Francis Pew (1804-1805) and my direct ancestor Margaret Mason Pew (c1807). Although I can't find a baptism for her, she marries twice so I know that she is the child of Francis Mason Pew, tailor.
Francis is a Tailor in Union Street in Lambeth and made a will which is proved in 1820. He leaves various money and bits and bobs to his immediate family, including Elizabeth, and Sarah and Margaret (who is a minor at this point).

I didn't have a birth for Francis - the only Francis Mason Pew/Pugh in the IGI was born in 1740 which seems way too far back. So brick wall for years...

Until yesterday - Yesterday I happened to look at the burials for St Mary's Lambeth and found his burial in 1820. The devil was 80 when he died, giving his last child born when he was 67!! I know this is him because the dates tie in with the will and the address is the same as that given when little Francis dies in 1805.

So, suddenly, Francis Mason Pugh, baptized 1740 in Pershore Worcester adds up very nicely...
In the IGI, this leads me to a Thomas Pugh and Margaret, but not much else - don't see a marriage for them. 

I see the Mason family was big in Pershore, so anyone who's done any work on the Masons that *didn't* go to USA would be welcome to see where I might be able to fit mine in - I'm hoping there might be a Pershore Mason link somewhere back there, important enough for two generations to keep Mason as a middle name maybe??. Or maybe not.  Any help or thoughts welcome.

dilly

 






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Devon / Settlement Certs - what does it mean?
« on: Friday 19 September 08 12:02 BST (UK)  »
Devon archives have a settlement certificate for "William Willcocks, Susanna his wife and Mary 17, Susanna 14, Richard 5, James 3 and Elizabeth 1, their children: Manaton". It is dated 1789.

Apparently it doesn't say anything else and they don't have the corresponding examination bit.

From Manaton parish records, it would appear that William Willcocks marries Susanna Mudge in 1770 and there are baptisms for a number of the children that correspond well to the above ages, including Richard and James.

Susanna and Elizabeth give Manaton as place of birth in later census records. James gives Totnes but he's further away by then, and is a tanner, and appears to have been apprenticed to Edward Langman who was a tanner in Totnes in 1795. Mary gives her place of birth as MoretonHampstead in the census, and the IGI has a birth that could well be her.

All fine, now the question is - does the fact they had a settlement cert imply that William/Susannah were not born in Manaton, even though they seem to have been there for quite a few years? I don't see them in the parish records, though there are both Willcocks and Mudges around. Is it feasible they're from Moreton, since one of their early children was born there? Can anyone help me with what this settlement cert might actually "mean" for their situation.

many thanks in advance
dillybert

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Does this say Farnham or Fareham, or something else entirely
« on: Thursday 11 September 08 11:00 BST (UK)  »
Hiya all

Was Farnham in Hampshire at one point? - I know it's on the Surrey/Hampshire border, but I can't decide if this says Hants, Farnham or Hants, Fareham. I'm tending towards Farnham - but not sure about the Hants bit.

Anyone willing to take a peak and give a second opinion.
The census ref is: HO107/1557, Folio 183, Page 35

BTW, this census is from when they are living in London. Thomas ALLEN is from the Isle of Wight - his place says Newchurch, but it's his wife Sarah....

many thanks
dilly

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United States of America / Missing in America c1885 - 1923 - where's Sarah
« on: Tuesday 19 August 08 15:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone

I got a new spurt of energy on my brick wall, and wondered if someone with more US experience than me might be able to help with some ideas of how to search for Sarah. I have ancestry access to US census and can look for records in findmypast etc so I don't really need a lookup, but am just stuck as to now to nail down where she might be and where to look next. 

Basically, I have a Sarah Priestley, born 1864, Bradford Yorks. She is last "seen" in a census for certain in 1871 as a child with her parents, but has a child in 1881 and she marries in 1885 (to a James Bairstow), but her husband says he's a widower in the 1891 census. She next shows up in 1923 (In Bradford) - using the name Bastow, and remarries.

We're fairly certain she was in the US for some of the missing time - stories came down two separate sides of the family that seem to place her in the US for at least some time. Unfortunately, I'm not sure she travelled under the name Bairstow/Bastow, or whether she married (it seems likely that since she was still using Bastow in 1923 that she didn't remarry).

Supposedly, she was in the Boston area but I have no confirmation of this.

Her brother Washington goes to the US around 1880 and lives in Philadelphia. He seems to die after 1910. Her father also supposedly (family stories) travelled back and forth to the US as crew in the 1860s (in between all birth certs and censuses where he was a miner). This supposedly explains why he called he son Washington and his daughter Cincinetta, which I admit would have been unusual in 1860s Bradford   :)

Can't find any record of any of them travelling to the US.

There's a bit more detail here, where some helpful rootschatters help me pin down the 1885 marriage:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,262750.msg1515883.html#msg1515883

AS mentioned, any ideas welcome. My default solution is to wait for 2011 and hope she might be back in the UK by then, though she might not be, and it might not tell me anything new. Really stuck on this one!

best wishes, thanks to anyone who has got this far!
dilly

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