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A few of us are having our Census lookups binned because we are apparently in breach of copyright, in spite of having the strapline in our profile re Crown Copyright etc.

We have looked on Census Resource and Discussion board, but can't seem to find any guidance about what's acceptable and what is not, unless it's so far back in the order we've missed it.

I believe we now need a clearly defined template for our posts, or to be actually told in so many words what it is that's causing the problem  - unless we are all going to have to go offline and PM each other to avoid offending the Powers That Be.

Give us a clue please guys - if all we do is transcribe what we see on the Census page,  and/or the description of the address, area, Enumeration district etc. and it still gets trashed, what are we doing wrong...?

Is it that we are also pointing up the failings of commercial websites by pointing out their crass mistranscriptions as well, for the benefit of of other searchers?

In short, we need specific information as to where we are going wrong - a blanket posting on every occasion saying our post has been removed due to copyright issues will only invite guesswork on our part as to which piece of info. is offending (and possibly also invite a further incorrect posting in future), and as we are all only trying to help our fellow Rootschatters, we really don't need the public embarrassment of being "outed" on copyright issues without our being told why.

We need to know how much info. we are allowed to give, and what we are not allowed to post, and why, so we don't keep messing it up, in ignorance of the full terms of the ruling.

Personally, I am at a loss to understand it - if I go to my local R.O., pull the fiche, transcribe it, and post it here, I can do that, can't I? as long as I acknowledge Crown Copyright? why does it make a difference if I transcribe it from a scanned image? being Devil's advocate here, but we need advice, or we can't make the best use of the site to help each other.

Seen recently in a newspaper cutting dated Tuesday April 4th 1911:

THE CENSUS

THE SUFFRAGIST RESISTANCE

"The task of the enumerators this year, in addition to its natural increase through the growth of population, has been complicated by the tactics of the Suffragists, who declared their intention of refusing to be included in the returns as a protest against their exclusion from the suffrage, and took special measures to evade registration.
A considerable crowd gathered on Sunday night in Trafalgar-square, consisting almost entirely of men, chiefly young men, and at midnight the number of Suffragists in the Square was insignificant. Most of those present were in holiday mood, and small groups of Suffragists were surrounded and escorted by spectators, who indulged in good-natured cheers and laughter. No attempt was made to hold a meeting or to deliver speeches, as it is illegal to do so in the Square after sundown. The night was fine overhead, but the atmosphere was damp.
At midnight Superintendent Wells, of the Metropolitan Police, who had charge of the arrangements, warned the women that it would be advisable for them to go home, as there was a rough element amongst the crowd, which might at any moment become inconveniently pressing in its attentions if the women remained on the scene.
Hundreds of Suffragettes assembled at Aldwych Skating Rink at one o'clock on Monday, and were joined by hundreds of young men, the proceedings at first being somewhat lively. The gathering was addressed by Suffragist leaders, and a concert followed. Before going home the women breakfasted at adjoining restaurants."

So, if you can't find your London ancestor when the 1911 Census is released, maybe he or she was involved. I don't know if there were any other such protests in other areas of the country, but it's entirely possible.

I got so fed up having to keep doing the maths to calculate year of birth from age given on the Census, I made up a Ready Reckoner, with Census years at the top, ages down the side, and birth years in the centre grid.

Here it is as a PDF - hope it's useful!

I have a William Stone b. between 1792 - 1795 in either Blackmore or Navestock, who married an Elizabeth Horn b. Laindon 1806 - 1811 (on the Censuses, they don't seem to be certain how old they are).

I would like to find baptisms/parents/siblings for them, and a marriage if possible.

Their first known child, Elizabeth Ann, was born in 1834 at Ingrave. They also had Jonathan b. c1840 Little Burstead, George chr. 21.3.1847 Hutton, Sarah Emma b. 21.1.1852 Hutton, but these are the only ones I know of so far.