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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Sunday 26 March 17 21:24 BST (UK)  »
Here is an excerpt from my file. I forgot where I even got this info:

I.     ROGER EDLYN, B. ABT. 1500, in "Hatchend" (near Middlesex, England)
                      -M-
                    (?) (?)
ISSUE:
1. *Richard Edlyn, b. abt. 1530 in Pinner Marsh, Middlesex, England (See below).


II.     RICHARD EDLYN, SR. B. ABT. 1530 in Pinner Marsh, Middlesex, England.
                       -M-
        JOANE OR JANE REDDING, B. , daughter of Thomas Redding, who was son of Richard Redding.
ISSUE:
1. *Richard Edlyn, b. abt. 1565 in Pinner Marsh("Harrow-on-the-Hill"), Middlesex, England--d. bef. 8/27/1616(See
below).
2. Henry Edlyn, died 1617.
3. Morgan Edlyn.
4. William Edlyn.
5. Edward Edlyn.
6. Roger Edlyn-m-Audrey Greenhill on 12/4/1594 in Pinner.
7. Agnes Edlyn.
8. Mary Edlyn.


III.    RICHARD EDLYN, Jr. B. 1565 in Pinner Marsh (Harrow-on-the-Hill), Middlesex, England--D. bef. 8/27/1616 in Buckingham, England. Note: "Harrow-on-the-Hill" was a small village with a 200' hill on which stands an ancient church where there once stood an ancient heathen temple. Also in Harrow is Harrow School, an old influential school. Winston Churchhill went to school there. Pinner is likewise a nearby village. They are all now part of Middlesex and it is all a part of greater London.
                      -M-
         MARGARET (?)
ISSUE: (NOTE: The reason for the change in spelling of the last name is, from what I have read, that Margaret was from Prussia and wanted her children to have a more German sounding or looking name so changed it from Edlyn to Edelen).
1. *Phillip Edelen, b. 1598 in Pinner--d. 3/22/1656/57 in Denborn(Buckingham), England. Became a Pastor or Minister of the "Established Church"-m-Catherine Offley (See below).
2. Richard Edelen, died 1699.
3. Alice Edelen.
4. Joane ("Hannah") Edelen, died 1643-m-Richard Nicholas.


IV.      REVEREND PHILLIP EDELEN, B. 1598 in Pinner, Middlesex, England--D. 3/22/1656/57 in Denborn(Buckingham), England.
He  was a Pastor or Minister of the Gospel. He held three "Degrees" from Emmanuel University, Caimbridge (England). He was one time Rector of St. John Zachery, Aldergate Ward, London (At one time the Puritans sacked, looted, and burned his Church). A memorial to Rev. Philip Edelen is on the south wall of St. Mary's Church, Denham, Bucks, where he is buried and where he took refuge when the raiding Puritans sacked his church of St. John Zachery and the Rectory in retaliation for his loyalty to the Crown and Established Church. Here is what his memorial says:
"Here lyeth Philippe Edelen, a man of rare endowments, singular integrity, holy Conversation and a most prudent solide and constant preacher of Truth in the most difficult times wherein he lived, continuing unmoved in the principles he had first layd and dying a true sonne of the Church of England, March 22nd, 1656 and of his age 58."
                         -M-
            CATHERINE OFFLEY. Daughter of Thomas and Anne (Clitheroe) Offley. Thomas was son of Hugh and Anne (Harding) Offley. Anne Clitheroe was daughter of Henry and Bridgett (Hewett) Clitheroe. Thomas was Alderman of London. See some of Offley and Clitherowe liniage above.
ISSUE:
1. Christopher Edelen, b. abt. 2/24/1630/31-m-Anne Broderich.
2. Anne Edelen, b. abt. 9/28/1633-m-James Hill on 6/6/1664 in London.
3. *Richard Edelen, b. 1635--d. 1694-m-Eliz. Banton, b. abt. 1639. Immigrated to America (See below).


V.       RICHARD EDELEN, GENT., B. 1635 in Middlesex, England--Migrated to Maryland, USA in 1664 and D. 1694 in Maryland, U.S.A..
                         -M-(married 10/29/1663 in London, England)
           ELIZEBETH BANTON, B. ABT. 1639 in England--D. in St. Mary's Co., Md.. 

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Thursday 23 March 17 15:57 GMT (UK)  »
My info goes back to Roger Edlyn born abt 1500. I wish there was some proof and info going further back. I have read that the Edlyn/Edelens were of Celtic stock, and another source said we were of Norman stock. I just wish I knew.

Another question is Eliz Banton's father who has been referred to as Lord Pannewell. Some have said he did not exist, or possibly a nick name. Well, he did exist because for the next two or three generations after Richard and Eliz Edelen came to American there were people named after him, with Pannewell as a first name or a middle name. So I also wonder who he was.
Dave

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Wednesday 22 March 17 23:09 GMT (UK)  »
I would have liked to have met Croilan Edelen. And you are correct in that the name was spelled Edlyn up until it was changed in the one family. Here is an excerpt from my file:
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III.    RICHARD EDLYN, Jr. B. 1565 in Pinner Marsh (Harrow-on-the-Hill), Middlesex, England--D. bef. 8/27/1616 in Buckingham, England. Note: "Harrow-on-the-Hill" was a small village with a 200' hill on which stands an ancient church where there once stood an ancient heathen temple. Also in Harrow is Harrow School, an old influential school. Winston Churchhill went to school there. Pinner is likewise a nearby village. They are all now part of Middlesex and it is all a part of greater London.
                      -M-
         MARGARET (?)
ISSUE: (NOTE: The reason for the change in spelling of the last name is, from what I have read, that Margaret was from Prussia and wanted her children to have a more German sounding or looking name so changed it from Edlyn to Edelen).
1. *Phillip Edelen, b. 1598 in Pinner--d. 3/22/1656/57 in Denborn(Buckingham), England. Became a Pastor or Minister of the "Established Church"-m-Catherine Offley (See below).
2. Richard Edelen, died 1699.
3. Alice Edelen.
4. Joane ("Hannah") Edelen, died 1643-m-Richard Nicholas.


IV.      REVEREND PHILLIP EDELEN, B. 1598 in Pinner, Middlesex, England--D. 3/22/1656/57 in Denborn(Buckingham), England.
He  was a Pastor or Minister of the Gospel. He held three "Degrees" from Emmanuel University, Caimbridge (England). He was one time Rector of St. John Zachery, Aldergate Ward, London (At one time the Puritans sacked, looted, and burned his Church). A memorial to Rev. Philip Edelen is on the south wall of St. Mary's Church, Denham, Bucks, where he is buried and where he took refuge when the raiding Puritans sacked his church of St. John Zachery and the Rectory in retaliation for his loyalty to the Crown and Established Church. Here is what his memorial says:
"Here lyeth Philippe Edelen, a man of rare endowments, singular integrity, holy Conversation and a most prudent solide and constant preacher of Truth in the most difficult times wherein he lived, continuing unmoved in the principles he had first layd and dying a true sonne of the Church of England, March 22nd, 1656 and of his age 58."
                         -M-
            CATHERINE OFFLEY. Daughter of Thomas and Anne (Clitheroe) Offley. Thomas was son of Hugh and Anne (Harding) Offley. Anne Clitheroe was daughter of Henry and Bridgett (Hewett) Clitheroe. Thomas was Alderman of London. See some of Offley and Clitherowe liniage above.
ISSUE:
1. Christopher Edelen, b. abt. 2/24/1630/31-m-Anne Broderich.
2. Anne Edelen, b. abt. 9/28/1633-m-James Hill on 6/6/1664 in London.
3. *Richard Edelen, b. 1635--d. 1694-m-Eliz. Banton, b. abt. 1639. Immigrated to America (See below).
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I descend from Christopher Edelen, youngest son of Richard and Eliz. Banton Edelen, the immigrants to Maryland. But yes I always heard and read that it was Richard Edlyn's wife Margaret ?? who, from Prussia, wanted her children's names to look and sound more Germanic so changed their names from Edlyn to Edelen. So Rev. Phillip Edelen and his siblings were the first ones to go by that spelling and his son Richard was the immigrant. I suppose the descendants of Phillip's three siblings are stillo going by Edelen. I read somewhere that during the War of 1812 during some negotiations aboard a ship there was a Lt Edelen on the American ship.  The Englishman told him that there was a Lt Edelen aboard his ship too, with an uncanny resemblance between them. But the American Edelen did nto want to meet him, still angry about the British burning Washington DC and rampaging over much of his home state of Maryland. LOL!  All this is so fascinating is it not?

By the way, that coat of arms with the plain white or silver shield with the single big anchor cross on it came with a book my dad sent off for pertaining to our coat of arms. The book said that was the oldest known one for Edelen and it could be found in something called Ziebmacher's Waffenbuch. I suspect now that book and outfit my dad ordered from was just the type that threw something to gether to sell to gullible people. Have you ever heard of that Ziebmacher's Waffenbuch? Never know.

What sort of fella was Croiland? I would love to have met him. I have read some of his research, etc. He must have been an extraordinary and interesting man.
David Middleton Edelen II
Alabama, USA

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Roxburghshire / My Stenhouse line; Fouldan, and Roxbhurgshire, Bruces/
« on: Tuesday 21 March 17 23:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
My gg grandfather Ebenezer Stenhouse was born and raised in Fouldan, Scotland, Lothian Borders I think, along with his 10 siblings. They migrated to South Carolina, USA in early 1840s. His father and several generations before him lived in Roxgurgshire. I know they were or are a Sept of Clan or House of Bruce and related by blood. I wish I knew more about my Stenhouse line. I have them as I said back  to like 1500 in Roxburgshire.
Attached is a pic of my gr gr grandfather Ebenezer Stenhouse around 1860, around the time he served in SC forces in the War for Southern Independence. His hair looks like it is long and pulled around behind his head. His wife was Janet Campbell Barclay.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Tuesday 21 March 17 16:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
It's been a while. But I have wondered if the cross in the top of my ancestor Richard
Edelen's was descended from the cross in the plain shield?

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Tuesday 19 October 10 01:04 BST (UK)  »
By the way Stephen,  thanks for your replies. In fact one of my ancestors was a Stenhouse, a sept of the Bruce Clan. I wonder if they had any coats of arms. It was my great great grandfather Ebenezer Stenhouse came from Scotland in early 1800s to South Carolina. His daughter Carolina Hamilton Stenhouse being my great grandmother.
Pistolero

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Tuesday 19 October 10 01:00 BST (UK)  »
Hello again,
That one for Croilan Edelen is the one that I used to have in a frame. My great aunt Pauline got it somewhere and said it was the one that our Richard Edelen used who came from England. If I remember correctly the cross was a dark color and not red, but other wise the arms was just like yours.

As for the ring I mentioned. It was not old. He just liked that one coat of arms I sent you with the silver shield and one red anchor cross and sort of adapted it for himself. He had that ring made for him with that particular coat of arms on it. It was a nice ring though.  I thought of adapting that one too as I did not know if I was allowed (by rules and laws of heraldry) to use the one Richard Edelen used since I descend from his fourth son. But speaking of that, I don't know if the same rules and laws would allow me the use of the other either?!?

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Monday 18 October 10 13:39 BST (UK)  »
Hey David, could you send me again  that Edelen coat of arms you sent that was like the one you have by your name here but had the little cross in the upper section please? If I am not mistaken, that was the one my aunt researched and found was Richard Edelen's. It was identicle to yours but had the little anchor cross in the upper section. You said it may have come from the Offley arms. Well, what about what I said about reading that in time they okayed it for all sons of a man to use his arms rather than just the first born. Was that true? That Richard Edelen who had the arms on his carraige door, he came to Maryland in 1664 and had like five or six kids. I am descended from Christopher, his youngest of four sons.

And yes, I, who love history and have read a bit of heraldry, would never just up and use or adapt another family's arms for my own use. I think they ought to enforce heraldric laws of such nature everywhere, not just in England.

Abt that one pic I sent you behindthefrogs of that coat of arms with the plain silver shield and single centered red achor cross, which the people who sent it to us said was the oldest known Edelen coat of arms. My Uncle had a gold ring with that coat of arms engraved in it. A beautiful ring! I think it was a simple, neat coat of arms. I wish I knew for sure it was indeed an old Edelen coat of arms. I always figured that the little cross in the upper section of Richard Edelen's arms was in honor of that coat of arms of his ancestor. But may be wroing.
Later,
David Edelen

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Monday 11 October 10 14:07 BST (UK)  »
Hey David,
I read somewhere that eventually they changed the heraldric laws and granted all sons to carry their father's coat of arms because it had gotten too complicated with a myriad of guys with all sorts of designs on theri shields, etc.. That would make sense too. Because if all sons could carry theri father's, then from then on any descendent knew by that coat of arms who his descendent was, rather than a bunch of descendents with a myriad of designs due to the old laws.

I had a friend by the name of Smith who got tired of trying to figure out what Coat of Arms was for him, so he just got pen, pencil and paper and designed his own and got it registered somewhere.
Later,
Dave

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