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Antrim / Re: John McDowell born 5 May 1817 died in Antrim town 29 November 1886
« on: Thursday 27 January 22 21:54 GMT (UK)  »
As a McDowell whose Ancestry is in this period and general area but more in Connor Parish than Antrim its probably worth pointing out that John is the most common male name used and as they to one degree or another adhered to the naming tradition that goes down the generations which results in multiple John McDowells in the same area, of similar age, who were all named after the same grandfather.  I've spent a lot of time trying to sort out the various John McDowells in Crumkill, Slaght, Kells, etc., made a number of mistakes and still not sure if I've got it right.

As an example - and this may or maybe relevant to this case, I have an Ellen McDowell from Lisnevanagh who married a William Parker from Ballymacvea in 1852 at Connor Presbyterian.  Ellen's father and grandfather were both John McDowell.

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Antrim / Re: McDowell strays
« on: Monday 26 April 21 10:37 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: DixieDee on Tuesday 13 February 07 16:14 GMT (UK)
Hi folks.
I see a few people are interested in McDowells, so perhaphs these strays may connect for them.



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Marriage on the 12 May 1848, in the Presbyterian Meeting House, Kells, Co Antrim, Ireland, by license by M. Moore.
Samuel Carson, age 24, a gate-keeper, resided Crumkill, Connor, Co Antrim.
Father, Hugh Carson, a farmer.
Maria McDowell, age 18, a spinster, resided Crumkill, Connor, Co Antrim.
Father, Clothworthy McDowell, a farmer.
Witnesses,  Hugh Douglas and John MIFERILY????. (surname unreadable).


This is now on irishgenealogy.ie.   The witnesses names are Hugh Douglas and Robert McCartney.   There's a lot of connections between the Crumkill McDowells and McCartneys including my 4th Great Granparents Smith McDowell and Jane McCartney.  Maria McDowell was most likely their niece.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: old photo from Stewarton for dating please
« on: Monday 26 April 21 10:28 BST (UK)  »
Just stumbled across this and that looks like it was taken outside the old Stewarton Public School on Dunlop Street.   It was opened in 1876, I was a pupil there when it celebrated its centenary, sadly demolished several years ago for houses.

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Antrim / Re: Sarah Hanna Kennedy wife of George Boyle Hanna
« on: Thursday 07 May 20 15:48 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gortraney on Thursday 07 May 20 13:33 BST (UK)

The first, as already mentioned in this thread, are Josias Kennedy and Sarah , who were the parents of my ggg grandfather Robert Kennedy who married Ellen Ross, their daughter Sarah Kennedy then marrying George Boyle Hanna (my gg grandparents) - so George B Hanna, not George R Hanna as mentioned in your post. Josias Kennedy and his wife Elizabeth (Johnston) who were mentioned on that same gravestone are the ones who didn't have children, and it is possible the niece mentioned may have been on the Johnston side.


The niece - Mary Jane Thompson - was born on 13 January 1880 and was the daughter of James Thompson and Sarah Kennedy.   She is mentioned as a beneficiary in the will of Josias Kennedy (1811-1896) along with three of her surviving children.     Unfortunately the father's name on her marriage certificate on irishgenealogy isn't legible.

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Antrim / Re: Sarah Hanna Kennedy wife of George Boyle Hanna
« on: Thursday 07 May 20 15:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gortraney on Thursday 07 May 20 12:50 BST (UK)
Hi there,

It is lovely to meet you! I agree we must be related somewhere in there and while the information I have highlighted above is stuff I have found since starting this thread, it is fantastic to see it confirmed! :)

The Hanna's and Kennedy's seem to have been entangled with each other one way or another for several generations, which makes it a bit of a trial to untangle. The recurrence of the Josias Kennedy name helps. It's just a case of figuring out who slots in where. I think the connection may involve the Johnston's too, as I see they are mentioned further down this thread, with John Hanna (1772 - 1810) married to an unnamed Johnston according to some research which was handed down to me within the family, Josias Kennedy (Jnr.) being married to Elizabeth Johnston and I think possibly William Kennedy (Mary Jane Kennedy-Hanna's father) being married to a Mary Johnston (though am still working on confirmation of this one cos it doesn't match with the Anna on his gravestone)

There's also another Kennedy branch in the 1901/1911 census in Lisnevnagh (Shilvodan, Antrim) I'm having difficulty slotting into place:

James Kennedy (born abt. 1871) and his wife Annie (born abt. 1881) have children:

Josias (born abt. 1900)
Ellen (abt. 1902)
William (abt. 1904)
John Bedmond (abt. 1905)
Mary Elizabeth (abt. 1907)
Annie (abt. 1910)

I know for certain Robert Kennedy and Ellen Ross had two daughters, the Sarah from my branch and Ellen Ross Kennedy, who married William Boal Curry/Currie and, according to the 1911 census in Ballymuckvea (Kells, Antrim), had children as follows:

Josias (abt. 1885)
Mary (abt. 1887)
William (abt. 1889)
Nellie (abt. 1891)
Janie (abt. 1895)
Sara Currie (abt. 1907)

This also shows that Ellen Ross Kennedy was born in abt. 1863 in Co. Wexford, which led me to another birth, that of Robert James Kennedy in 1864 in Co. Wexford, though by the time of Robert Kennedy's death in 1888 he wasn't mentioned in his father's will, so I presume must have pre-deceased him.

More in the next post. Still wrapping my head round all this new info and where it might tie into the new info I have now :)

Trish

I have the wife of John Hanna (1772-1810) as a Jane Johnston, although I can't be too certain of the provenance of that.

For the Kennedys in Lisnevenagh.   James's wife was an Annie Gawn.  Josias, the oldest
 son's birth record is on irishgenealogy.ie from 1899 but it is recorded as Josiah Kennedy.

They were married in Randalstown in 1898 - listed under Antrim.   James' father is listed as Anthony Kennedy.

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Antrim / Re: Sarah Hanna Kennedy wife of George Boyle Hanna
« on: Thursday 07 May 20 11:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gortraney on Thursday 07 May 20 11:17 BST (UK)
Sooooo much to catch upon in this thread! Just need a mo to wrap my head around it all. :)

Sparked on by this thread, I've been spending quite a bit of time looking at the connections here and I think it's almost certain we're related on both the Hanna and Kennedy lines.

Hanna is my paternal line and I've had a Y-DNA test done.    I have a close match to someone who is a direct descendent of Samuel Hanna (1793-1873) and Margaret Parker.   I believe that he is the brother to John who you mentioned and lived in Sharvogues.   These are likely to be 1C1Rs of my 4th GGF, another John Hanna of Cromkill.

I suspect Robert Hanna - the father of your John Hanna (b. abt 1772) - and Samuel Hanna - father of my John Hanna b. 1785) were brothers.  Who their father was, I don't know but John would have to be a good bet on the basis of the naming tradition.

On the Kennedy side, Sarah is almost certainly related to my 4th GGM, Joice Kennedy - John Hanna's wife -  my guess is 1C1R.

My assumption here is that Joice's father (John Kennedy dob unknown but probably about 1760) is the brother of Josias Kennedy (b1770) who was Sarah's grandfather.    Their father was John Kennedy (1727-1783).

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Antrim / Re: Sarah Hanna Kennedy wife of George Boyle Hanna
« on: Sunday 29 December 19 11:23 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Christy Hanna on Saturday 28 December 19 23:40 GMT (UK)
Hi! I have no idea currently if I am related to these individuals, but I am a Hanna! I was excited to see my name in the forum. I know names and birth/death dates of all my close relatives, but I am trying to trace my surname back to Ireland. I heard that if you go back far enough, the name was O'Hannaigh. The farthest back I am able to go is Andrew Jackson Hanna (1833-1880) born in St. Clair Alabama, USA and died in Sebastian, Arkansas, USA. He was married to Emily Thurber. A potential mother for Andrew is Mary Keaton (1797- 1874).

There's a fairly active Hanna/Hannay group on Facebook called Clan Hannay Forum.  That might be a good place to start.

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Antrim / Re: Sarah Hanna Kennedy wife of George Boyle Hanna
« on: Tuesday 10 December 19 10:11 GMT (UK)  »
Some of that I already had but there's a lot I didn't so thanks again.

I meant to add in my previous post that the possible Cassillis connection makes sense.  I'm pretty sure that I turned up some anecdotal evidence to support that but can seem to locate that at the moment.   

The Hannas here are descendants of the Sorbie Hannays who moved to Ireland in the 17th century - initially to Monaghan and then spread out.  Connections between them and the Kennedys of Cassillis go back centuries although they were feuding for a period - looks like they must have made up though.

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Antrim / Re: Sarah Hanna Kennedy wife of George Boyle Hanna
« on: Monday 09 December 19 11:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Julia - I guess we are - somehow - related.

Joice Kennedy - my 4xGGM - died on 12 May 1867 aged 81.   That would give her year of birth as c. 1786, so she would've been certainly would've been contemporary with some of those you mentioned.

I'm just looking at my research tree and my working assumption is that the Josias Kennedy (1770-1838) is her uncle rather than brother.   I have her father as most likely a John Kennedy.  That Josias Kennedy was father of Josias Kennedy (1811-1896) of Carnaught who was the executor of John Hanna's will.  It's not outwith the realms of possibilty that the older Josias is also Joice's father though.

There is another Josias Kennedy who was born in 1813 and died in Lisnevanagh on 19-Sep-1869.   Presumably he could be the son of the John Kennedy you mention below.

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