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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 21:09 BST (UK)  »
Oh what a tangled web we weave...... Thanks Chris, I think I am going to have to wait for a couple of weeks and see what the marriage certificate of my grandmother Margaret and John actually says about her mother and father.  It would seem to be the best way to confirm things.  I remain in hope of finding them and settling the mystery.

Thank you for all your hard work.
Gloria

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Friday 22 September 17 08:22 BST (UK)  »
Bless you Chris,
You have been a tremendous help and have really helped in guiding me on the right course and also helped dispell incorrect findings. I imagine a lot of families are as confusing as ours but it doesn't help with my Grandmother (Margaret) fibbing about her age or the fact that people used other than their first names at times or carried a nickname.  I think I will go ahead and order another marriage certificate for my grandmother and put the correct date this time, that seems to be the best way to find out for sure doesn't it.  I'm not sure what personal information you can put on here but I am actually living in the States so try to converse periodically with the few relatives that are left there who are quite elderly and rather forgetful but with the help you have given me, I am determined to solve the mystery of did she or did she not marry at 14 and lie about her age. 

I will be checking here as often as possible but am about to become a grandmother myself for the third time at any hour (I have 2 of them with me tonight as we had a false emergency this evening and I think a birth is imminent). I hope one day that they will enjoy the gift I am trying to leave them of who and where their family came from.   

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Wednesday 20 September 17 20:54 BST (UK)  »
You are amazing Chris,
I know we have a Nancy (Margaret's sister and therefore I presume a Thomas, who was indeed married to a Tom (probably Thomas and they had two daughters, a Sue and a Kath (I believe Kathleen). I believe he was some years her junior, he indeed looked it as I did meet them when I was a young girl.  Nancy did have a son (Not Tom's) living with them by the name of Tony so it is quite likely she had others. Is it permissible on here to tell me where I might find their records?  I probably should read over the rules again.

So far then:  Nancy is Annie 1916, Jack 1918,  Leonard Thomas (born 7 Aug in either 1908 or 1910 - it varies between records) who married Edith Cecilia Emily Clarke (born 12 Sep 1911) in Coventry in Mar qtr 1930 - I'm pretty sure this is Leonard but not Burt.  Another possible sibling mentioned on here is Mary 1915 but I have no inkling re a Mary on my Grandmother (Margaret Thomas' side).

Just to note I applied to get a marriage certificate but stupidly put the wrong marriage year and don't know if they will find it.  Have you had any dealings doing this and do I need to apply again or will they search?  I imagine I need to do it again  :(

Again, thank you so much, I have become totally obsessed with searching my ancestors now and you have definitely helped tremendously.  I keep wondering whether to join Ancestry which may help more but so far things are going pretty well for free.

 Bert or Burt (I always believed to be a Thomas) is a conundrum as I don't have much on him.  I know he went to live in London and worked most of his adult life at Heathrow airport  and he had a daughter 

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Tuesday 19 September 17 18:53 BST (UK)  »
Chris, from talking to a relative the Leonard Thomas you mentioned indeed worked in the car manufacturing and is the correct one. as far as I know there was a Len, Burt (not sure if Burt spelt correctly), Jack, Margaret and a Nancy who all lived in Coventry.  So the name Thomas has to be correct. 

BumbleB as far as my research has taken me I believe the Blackford line goes as follows:
John Blackford & Margaret Thomas - his father and mother were James 1859 and Frances Hall 1881 (she was considerably younger).
As you say James Blackford was married to Mary Ann Blackford  and as you say she died 5th March 1902 at 48 which makes sense marrying then Frances.
The 3rd wife possiblity I'm still trying to get my head round that .

I know we have 2 sets of Blackfords in that area and I know we have to meet up with a common relative somewhere but still digging on that.

You guys are helping tremendously with your input and things are coming together. Many thanks



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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Monday 18 September 17 20:23 BST (UK)  »
"Len married to Cis"

I wonder whether this is the Leonard Thomas (born 7 Aug in either 1908 or 1910 - it varies between records) who married Edith Cecilia Emily Clarke (born 12 Sep 1911) in Coventry in Mar qtr 1930.

It looks as though he may have worked in motor manufacturing - ring any bells?

Absolutely, that's awesome, he definitely was a brother to my Grandmother, Margaret Thomas.  I was told he married a Cis so I presume that was a nickname.  You guys are amazing.

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Monday 18 September 17 18:20 BST (UK)  »
Oh my, I really don't know how many times James was married.  I do know that there is a branch of Blackfords we somehow connect with somewhere and both seem to be in roughly the same vicinity.  It doesn't help that every generation has a James in it even to modern day.  I feel like I have the right thread and then it starts going in all directions but your info is definitely helping, thank you so much, I appreciate your help very much.

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Monday 18 September 17 16:15 BST (UK)  »
Oh my goodness, it does get complicated doesn't it,  you are all helping tremendously.  I do know my Grandfather, John Blackford had half siblings so BumbleB is right when he says James Blackford's marriage to Francis Hall could possibly a second marriage. The older living members of my family do not know the names of their grandparents which did not help me at all.  I will take Chris and Carol's advice and try and order the marriage cert first. 
 

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Monday 18 September 17 10:39 BST (UK)  »
You guys are spot on with the son Lionel and John's dates and this is definitely my grandmother.  My father Derek was the firstborn in 1930, he passed away in 2015.  We always believed she married extremely young for love but who knows maybe it was because of (ahem) becoming intimate.  I have a feeling though that although it might say 1908 that her she lied and it was actually 1912.  I now have the problem of trying to find her parents and from what you say her mother was a Hodges.  I will try and order a birth certificate from where you suggest and see if I can go from there with her parents.   

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Margaret Thomas from Coventry
« on: Monday 18 September 17 09:42 BST (UK)  »
Chris_49  From all the information I have is that my grandmother Margaret Thomas did indeed marry at 14 which I believe was legal in the 1920's. In 1929 they increased the age of marriage to 16.  I know she had a sibling Jack who lived in Coventry, a Len married to Cis (or like), a Nancy and a Burt, the others don't ring a bell but I don't know much of her siblings. I believe she was born possibly in the Coundon area of Coventry. I will look into her marriage certificate but so far the Thomas family seem to be incognito.  Thank you all on here for your guidance, I appreciate it.

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