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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Sunday 23 April 06 16:56 BST (UK)  »
Oh!  And on the Hugh Gadwalad entry, to the left of the arithmetical calculation some previous owner had made of the earliest entry, is some writing I had previously not understood and could only see as a Pound sign - it has suddenly looked to me like Hugh C as if he began to write his name and wasn't satisfied with it, or something.  What do you make of it?

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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Sunday 23 April 06 16:51 BST (UK)  »
Another interpretation I tried on the Jan Williams Robert Williams entry was

"For"   (with a large fancy F)

instead of "Rbot"

As if Jan Williams was signing for Robert Williams

So reading :

Jan Williams
his chifer
for
Robert Williams

the other highlighted writing I simply can't even make a stab at.

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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Sunday 23 April 06 16:42 BST (UK)  »
A couple more that someone might be able to decipher better than I!

Robert Williams set his hand 1762
                                  and day the   ??

Jan Williams his chifer  (cypher???)     llifer (Llyfr, book???)

Rbot

Robert Williams

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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Sunday 23 April 06 16:30 BST (UK)  »
A couple more of the pics, which I will try to make smaller than the others turned out
!

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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Sunday 23 April 06 16:18 BST (UK)  »
This is just an interim note to let you know that while I did not have joy with the ultraviolet lamp I got, and anyway my camera had filled up with photos the day before, my cousin was able to get some shots with her camera, which give pretty good views.  The back endpapers were not covered in faded writing as I thought, but were just mottled.  At this stage, I am wondering whether the writing was to record the change of ownership of the Bible, possibly from its original use as a chained Bible to private ownership, but that's just guesswork based on my interpretation of one word there, sale, which might be misread anyway.
I will attach what I can; I read thus:
Hugh Gadwalad iw gwir berchenog y llifyr (llyfr) hwn 1717.
(gochwyl?) gwilia os gweli ni/roi hynws ymhirach
mwin grasol idi ym groigg dig Dafudd os dygi fi
Morus Jones his hand

and

William Huse his Book 1762
and Sale 1762
Hugh Williams his hand and Book 1762

It's not much more than I had before, but at least I know there is not a great list of ancestors named in faded writing!

Rowena




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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Sunday 19 February 06 09:45 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you.

I have just been searching the net to see if I could discover what the regalia for a master carpenter would have been, but so far nothing has emerged. 
http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/woodfaq_1.html was quite interesting, but though I wondered about the "jobstick" . . . nothing like an official emblem of his master status.  http://parentfrost.netfirms.com/Miersch%20Family%20and%20SS%20Rhein_files/Tischler.htm makes one feel one is almost there, but . . .
One day we might come across a picture or description.
Regards
Rowena

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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Sunday 19 February 06 07:15 GMT (UK)  »
Sleep, Denn?  Yes, well, I went to bed at 6.oo am and up again at 9.30, and whether I shall sleep again before I get on the plane who can tell?

My mother told me it was a symbol of his professional status as a master carpenter, but I don't know exactly what it was.  I always assumed it was a turned piece, but it looks good as a rule, and I don't know that it wasn't.

Thanks again.

HK

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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Sunday 19 February 06 07:07 GMT (UK)  »
Wow!  That's fantastic!  I had just put that picture in my family history that I am desperately trying to work on before I go - I will now put the coloured one in.  It's amazing.  I shall try to master it when I get back.

Many thanks for your time and trouble!

HK

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Family Bibles / Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« on: Saturday 18 February 06 11:21 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks - that would be stunning to see.  I'd be interested in just what method you use - whether you just airbrush colour on to it or change the colour of the actual pixels, if I am expressing it correctly.

I had another couple of goes with the pic, but the button at the bottom didn't seem to do anything.  Anyway, nearly time to leave, so I will try again when I come back if it hasn't worked.

HK

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