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Cheshire / Re: 1929 Electoral Register same property two different entries
« on: Friday 28 September 18 19:28 BST (UK)  »
... but maybe what we are seeing is the relic of those Divisions. They took the titles out but didn't reorder the entries because that is hard work type-setting etc. ...
On mature reflection (it happens  ;)  )  I withdraw that suggestion. It occurred to me later that just 3 or 4 pages was not going to be sufficient for a whole Division of that Ward. In fact, I can now see (he said hopefully) the difference between the two sets of Rosslyn addresses.

The 3 Muntons (2350-52) are in named houses in the "middle" of Swanlow Lane, between 19 and 21. The other 2 (2080/81) are in named houses under a "street name" of Swanlow - no "Lane" word. As "Swanlow" collates before "Swanlow Lane", the two in Swanlow come before all the ones in Swanlow Lane. That might suggest Harriet Ladner and Jane Ikin (2080/81) didn't successfully apply for their vote at the same time as the other three.

There is also a repeat at Rock Villa, and at Sandycroft / Sandicroft (assuming those two are the same place) - maybe others.

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Cheshire / Re: 1929 Electoral Register same property two different entries
« on: Thursday 27 September 18 21:26 BST (UK)  »
... Clicking back to the front cover of both entries, it gives 1st May 1929 14 October 1930. Could there be two different registers for the same year? ...

No - indeed if you scroll back on FindMyPast, you find that the 3 Muntons are on p39 of Polling District T, Swanlow Ward, nos 2350-2352. And just a bit further back (so the same physical book - usually), the other 2 at Rosslyn are on p35 of Polling District T, Swanlow Ward, and nos 2080/81.

So it's the same register.

Why are they split? Not at all sure but the idea that some are visitors is not true. You get your franchise based on where you live (or own) - it's not like the census where you get recorded wherever you are on one night. (I have to say that I've never understood the difference between Residence and Occupation - it's occupation, as in occupation of a property).

What this may be is a relic of the way that registers were previously organised. I'm looking at a 1919 Register for Alsager and each ward contains up to 3 divisions:
  • Division 1 contains the names of those persons who are entitled to vote both as parliamentary electors and as local government electors
  • Division 2 contains the names of those persons who are entitled to vote as parliamentary electors but not as local government electors
  • Division 3 contains the names of those persons who are entitled to vote as local government electors but not as parliamentary

Now there's no sign of Divisions in this book, and not even much suggestion in the values on the pages that it might be the answer, but maybe what we are seeing is the relic of those Divisions. They took the titles out but didn't reorder the entries because that is hard work type-setting etc. You can't just re-sort the spreadsheet in 1929. So the pair were originally in one division and the trio originally in another. And changes to circumstances may cause different values in qualifications, etc., over the years until it no longer makes much sense.

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Cheshire / Re: Cheshire statutory burial and cremation records.
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 19:37 BST (UK)  »
The Blog isn't there any more but Deceased Online should be easy enough to find - https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

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Tipperary / Re: John Andrew Jackson, murdered 1863, Mount Pleasant, Killowney Little
« on: Wednesday 22 August 18 13:34 BST (UK)  »
... Peters, Cummins, Kennedy

Yes, there seems to have been, as far as I remember from the newspaper accounts that I found, something close to a panic by the police and "Round up anyone who might possibly have been involved" seems to have been the instruction. As I said, even the steward who discovered the body was later arrested (?) and held for some time, while the domestics were all questioned. The newspaper noted that none of the ordinary people came to the funeral. Small wonder in view of the way that they were treated.

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... Yes, Sharon has done a lot of research on the Surname!
A heroic endeavour given that it's not exactly a rare name!

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... Just wondering if you made any progress with finding out what happened with the murder trial. ...
I've found nothing further but then I haven't looked either, partly because John Andrew Jackson is so far from my line.

... Also how did you come to have interest in this case?
Well, the Jacksons aren't my relatives, instead they are related to an old school friend (who turns out to be my 4th cousin - that's what happens when your mothers' both have connections to the same small village in Cheshire). In fact, I started helping him with his military stuff on that line, which included Major Jackson, and then, as often happens, simply got interested and did some more research, partly as a training exercise for myself to understand Irish Genealogy. In fact, John Andrew Jackson isn't even particularly related to him, as he descends from a younger half-brother via Rapla.

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... the lady of Mr. Tuthill of Rapla, and the sister of Judge Jackson, was found outside the house quite dead ... situated about two miles from Nenagh."
Yes, I think I found that in a newspaper search. So far as I know, that's a different lot of Jacksons, even though Rapla is common to that and "my" lot. The Major and John Andrew Jackson were both JPs, not judges, for one thing. And there's a website, "The Silver Bowl", which identifies her as "Anna Strettell JACKSON (1793-1844) of Cork"  (See http://www.thesilverbowl.com/history/Jackson-Strettell.html). I don't guarantee the identification - just that I can't match her to the Major's lot from that description.

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Cheshire / Re: Cheshire Families Buck & Elliott
« on: Thursday 26 July 18 16:19 BST (UK)  »
Georgia - it will cost you but you absolutely must get the birth, marriage and death certificates for each of your ancestors right back to the start of civil registration. And all of the censuses available.

When I say "ancestors", I mean your grandparents (probably), great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, etc. Even I don't bother about the aunts and uncles and cousins, though it's worth pointing out that sometimes it's easier to trace them, particularly if they have a distinctive name.

It may seem to be an expense but having everything there helps stop mistakes. Particularly when you find, as you surely will, that someone didn't quite tell the truth on one certificate.

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... So this is the second time in my research that I've seen two death certificates registered for the same person. ...


Really? Wow - I'd never seen it before at all. Usually the tricky bit is the opposite - trying to find just one!

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