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Midlothian / Re: Allan Neill and Jane Ann Rodgers Bruce
« on: Sunday 24 September 17 19:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Rosinish on Sunday 24 September 17 15:59 BST (UK)
Quote from: SHUSHIE on Sunday 24 September 17 09:34 BST (UK)
They married in 1949 in Lasswade
Allan Neill  31   Plumber (Divorced) of 11 Saughree, Rosewell - parents Allan Neill, Coal Miner and Agnes Neill MS (i.e.maiden name) Houston

Allan was married before to a Margaret Milroy. Allan and Margaret had a daughter born in 1942 she was put in a home and was later fostered out the home was in Scotland somewhere and was through the red cross
I am trying to find Allans children from the 2nd marriage in the hope someone knows the story of the baby fostered out she never saw any of her parents again..........

Just wondering if the fostered child actually kept their original birth name & surname & did they remain in Scotland or go elsewhere?

Is the fostered child still living?

Have you searched for a marriage on SP for the fostered child (assuming you know their name)?

The parents married in Carrington, Midlothian i.e. likely the child was fostered around that area?

Annie
The fostered child was born in London her father was in the army or joined the army was or may have been posted to London but the child was taken back to Scotland where I assume her grandparents were for some reason she was left there in a home and later fostered I know who the child is and the foster parents I was hoping to contact any siblings who might know why she was left behind to be fostered in a home yet an older sibling 11 moths older was kept with the mother she has no papers for fostering or adoption just her birth cert she has had since birth so she knows who she is and kept the same name its a very strange case indeed........

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Midlothian / Allan Neill and Jane Ann Rodgers Bruce
« on: Sunday 24 September 17 09:34 BST (UK)  »
They married in 1949 in Lasswade
Allan Neill  31   Plumber (Divorced) of 11 Saughree, Rosewell - parents Allan Neill, Coal Miner and Agnes Neill MS (i.e.maiden name) Houston

Jane Ann Rodgers Bruce   26    Housekeeper    (spinster) - parents James Bruce, Gamekeeper (retired) and Elizabeth Lawson Bruce MS Walker (deceased). I am looking for any children they may have had, Allan was married before to a Margaret Milroy. Allan and Margaret had a daughter born in 1942 she was put in a home and was later fostered out the home was in Scotland somewhere and was through the red cross I have traced Margarets family from her new marriage and they didn't kow of the child fostered so was never told, so I am trying to find Allans children from the 2nd marriage in the hope someone knows the story of the baby fostered out she never saw any of her parents again..........

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World War Two / Re: Alan Neill...Help
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 19:53 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Rosinish on Saturday 02 September 17 22:16 BST (UK)
Quote from: Annette7 on Thursday 31 August 17 13:41 BST (UK)
So, did Allan Neill and Margaret divorce?

Annette

Yes!!...

CS258/22344 Margaret H Milroy or Neill v Allan Neill Divorce 1949

http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/search.aspx

Add....

"The item or collection is not accessible to the public.
This might be because the item is undergoing conservation It might be closed for a number of years, under Data Protection legislation, or by a private owner of the records."


Annie


Add...Brilliant work ladies & fascinating, just finished reading it all  ;D
Hi I missed this post just going over some posts I can not access this it wont let me can you tell me how too and what I need to put in to get the info you did?and does it state children? Its important now I have contact with a living relative ...TIA

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World War Two / Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 15:28 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Friday 22 September 17 22:17 BST (UK)
That is a real shame, but perhaps he has reasons for not telling her. She would be late 70s wouldn't she if I am remembering correctly, but we don't know the state of her health. I suppose it might come as a shock to know that she has a full blood younger sister, who for some reason was "given" away. It does make you wonder if Carl Colson knew doesn't it, as it was kept such a secret? The elder sister was obviously old enough to remember Carl coming into their lives, hence knowing he wasn't her biological father, but wasn't old enough to remember when her sister was born.

I do seriously wonder whether Allan Neill was actually your lady's father. Could her mother have had an affair while Allan was in the army? She could easily have put his name on the certificate and that would have been accepted as she was married to him at the time. That would explain why she gave the baby up and didn't try and claim her back, or mention her when she went to America.It does seem very strange to me that if she was just given up because she couldn't cope, that she was never mentioned. The only way to find out for sure would be for both parties to take a DNA test, and I can't see that happening.

I'm afraid there isn't a lot you can do though if the son isn't willing to tell his mother.

It might be a good idea to post your last request re finding Allan Neill's new family on the Scottish board, but with a link back to this thread so people don't waste time going over old ground.  The only thing to keep in mind though, is that if my suspicion's about your lady's birth father are right, any children of Allan for that marriage won't be connected to her.
I have sent attachments via emails to both of you of the 2nd marriage cert I need it transcribed not sure about the Bruce could be Brice also can not quite make out her mothers and father  name or Allans I tride to upload snippets on here but it woulnt let me TIA

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World War Two / Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« on: Friday 22 September 17 21:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Friday 22 September 17 21:19 BST (UK)
That's good news that you've made contact in the USA - presumably that is with the family of the older sister? Is she still alive and does she want any contact with her sister? If I'm correct they are full sisters aren't they?
Yes they are I have exchanged birth certs but son is reluctant to tell her she has never mentioned a lost sister so he says? but knows who her bio dad is Allan Neill never went back to Scotland to find him only classes Carl Colson as her dad, but I doubt he is going to mention it to her as I can not get to speak to her where do I go from here? I am treading on egg shells at the moment My lady as had a lifetime of not knowing and now knows she has family out there but I have not told her yet I have found her sibling I want a happy ending so if you can help find the Neill's I have sent for 2 Births I think would be Allan's kids after he married in 1949 going to try there

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World War Two / Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« on: Friday 22 September 17 21:14 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Tuesday 05 September 17 21:16 BST (UK)
There is a possibility that there are living relatives from the sister and half sister in America if only we could find them.
  Thanks to you all I have found the son of one of the sister's in USA and she knows nothing of my lady which I suspected but same dad she knew of him as her bio but never classed him as dad never returned to Scotland to find him, Carl Colson was her dad as far as she was concerned, I am hoping to find relatives of Allan Neill's 2nd marriage 1949 he married Jane Ann Rodger Bruce father James Bruce gamekeeper retired. mother Elizabeth something Bruce nee Walker deceased marriage district Lasswade Midlothian big help needed

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World War Two / Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« on: Thursday 14 September 17 20:07 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Thursday 14 September 17 18:28 BST (UK)
Also, a week to 10 days is about average waiting time for certificates from the GRO as well, especially this time of the year after television shows such as Who Do You Think You Are, Long Lost Families and Heir Hunters have been on.
I was a bit nift after saying it was dispatched and not arriving and then saying it was being scanned again? I have had a birth cert some time ago through ancestry that was Scottish Annette? perhaps they don't do it know, last one I had from Scottish People was  took 3 days

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World War Two / Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« on: Thursday 14 September 17 13:16 BST (UK)  »
Still awaiting the Marriage cert of Allan Neill's 2nd marriage, how reliable is Scottish People? received birth cert no problem had to email them twice about this cert had email last week saying dispatched never turned up then sent email they said if you wanted quick delivery pay £15 pounds then it had to be scanned again as was unreadable.(well if it is unreadable how is the info on the website correct in the 1st place?) I paid £13.95 for the last one and the same with this one I would think a week is long enough to wait? don't think I will buy the certs through them again so I am stuck at the moment on the Neill family and any siblings his knew marriage may have had.....

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World War Two / Re: Alan Neill...Help
« on: Thursday 07 September 17 16:01 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: DavidJP on Wednesday 30 August 17 23:35 BST (UK)
Hi,

Lt Col Carl Clayton Colson & his wife Marga Helene Colson are both listed here: http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/arlington/cemeteries/arlington-col-con.txt

Surname: Colson
Given Name: Carl
Middle Name: Clayton
Suffix:
DOB: 06/15/1919 (15th June 1919)
DOD: 11/01/1962 (1st Nov 1962)
Branch: US Air Force
Rank: LtCol
Sec: 2
Row: 0
Site: 3696 RH
Interment Date: 11/06/1962 (6th Nov 1962)


Surname: Colson
Given Name: Marga
Middle Name: Helene
Suffix:
DOB: 04/19/1923 (19th April 1923)
DOD: 12/25/1999 (25th Dec 1999)
Branch: US Army
Rank: Pvt (Private)
Sec: 2
Row: 0
Site: 3696 RH
Interment Date: 07/10/2000 (10th Jul 2000)

It would appear therefore that she was in the US Army with the rank of Private.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards

David
was wondering if the other Colson in this Block was Carls son? he was born in 1944 California, in 1945/46  Carl was in London with Margaret so possible Carl was married also? back in USA

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