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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Friday 11 October 19 15:29 BST (UK) »
Yes that is how I read it as well.
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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Friday 11 October 19 15:19 BST (UK) »
Yes it looks very like it! Please note I have amended my last post as it should have said Arthur Davren and Catherine McDermid.
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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Friday 11 October 19 15:09 BST (UK) »
Arthur and Helen’s son was definitely born in 1907. He is with them in the 1911 census. There were several different families of Davren all linking back to Arthur Davren and Agnes Shilland ( including that of Arthur Davren and Catherine McDermid who were the subjects of the original posting that you linked into). The name Shilland appears as a middle name on more than one occasion.
I have just checked the birth in 1907 of John Davren. He was born on 25/7/1907 at 28 Bellfield Street, Glasgow. Father Arthur Davren, Van Driver and Helen Davren nee Hosie who married 27/7/1906 in Glasgow. He is the one who married Sarah Winning per the marriage certificate posted by Annette. His age at death in 1963 was 55 which is a match.
I have just checked the birth in 1907 of John Davren. He was born on 25/7/1907 at 28 Bellfield Street, Glasgow. Father Arthur Davren, Van Driver and Helen Davren nee Hosie who married 27/7/1906 in Glasgow. He is the one who married Sarah Winning per the marriage certificate posted by Annette. His age at death in 1963 was 55 which is a match.
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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Friday 11 October 19 14:41 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I should have been clearer - Winning was William’s middle name. He was William Winning Davren.
I have just had a look at the death of one year old Arthur in 1935 and it confirms he was the son of John Davren, Motor Lorry Driver, and Sarah Cunningham Harkness Davren nee Winning. He died at Robroyston Hospital, but usual address was 192 Dalmarnock Road. He died of Bronco-Pneumonia and Enteritis. So not a still birth as you previously thought.
I wondered why I couldn’t find William’s death.
So it looks as if we have-
John born 1936
Son of John born 1907 and Sarah Winning
Grandson of Arthur born 1888 and Helen Hosie
Great grandson of John born 1865 (Perth) and Margaret Carruthers
Great/great grandson of Arthur Davren and Agnes Shilland
I have just had a look at the death of one year old Arthur in 1935 and it confirms he was the son of John Davren, Motor Lorry Driver, and Sarah Cunningham Harkness Davren nee Winning. He died at Robroyston Hospital, but usual address was 192 Dalmarnock Road. He died of Bronco-Pneumonia and Enteritis. So not a still birth as you previously thought.
I wondered why I couldn’t find William’s death.
So it looks as if we have-
John born 1936
Son of John born 1907 and Sarah Winning
Grandson of Arthur born 1888 and Helen Hosie
Great grandson of John born 1865 (Perth) and Margaret Carruthers
Great/great grandson of Arthur Davren and Agnes Shilland
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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Friday 11 October 19 13:41 BST (UK) »
If your John is who we think he is ie the son of John Davren and Sarah Cunningham Winning then one of his grandmothers - Helen Davren nee Hosie did remarry, but her husband was definitely called Ward. His other grandmother was Annie Winning nee Cunningham and she did not remarry.
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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Friday 11 October 19 08:16 BST (UK) »
Could the second marriage have been to a Mr Ward (not Wells). There is a marriage in 1940 in Bridgeton between Helen Davren or Hosie to a Thomas Ward. Helen was previously married to Arthur Davren in 1904 and they had a son John in 1907 who I believe to be the person who later married Sarah Cunningham Winning. Arthur Davren died in 1940 age 52. Helen Davren or Hosie or Ward died in Glasgow in 1965.
I think Arthur may actually have lived for a year. There is a birth in Bridgeton in 1934 followed by a death age 1 in Provan ( Glasgow) in 1935. The only other Arthur birth is in 1947 and I think that is the year Alexander was born ( in Camlachie). William Winning ( Billy) I think was born in 1945 in Camlachie. The other three births as I previously listed above. The only difference from your sequence is Helen but I think she has to be the one born in 1940 as there are no later births in the appropriate time period.
John Davren died in Bridgeton in 1963 age 56 and his wife Sarah died in Paisley in 1988 age 77.
I think Arthur may actually have lived for a year. There is a birth in Bridgeton in 1934 followed by a death age 1 in Provan ( Glasgow) in 1935. The only other Arthur birth is in 1947 and I think that is the year Alexander was born ( in Camlachie). William Winning ( Billy) I think was born in 1945 in Camlachie. The other three births as I previously listed above. The only difference from your sequence is Helen but I think she has to be the one born in 1940 as there are no later births in the appropriate time period.
John Davren died in Bridgeton in 1963 age 56 and his wife Sarah died in Paisley in 1988 age 77.
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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Thursday 10 October 19 20:08 BST (UK) »
Possible births for three of the siblings-
Jessie M born Bridgeton 1937
Sarah born Bridgeton 1932
Helen Hosie born Bridgeton 1940
Valuation Rolls 1935 and 1940 show a John Davren at 192 Dalmarnock Road, Bridgeton. Electoral rolls in that same period show a John and Sarah Davren living at that address.
Jessie M born Bridgeton 1937
Sarah born Bridgeton 1932
Helen Hosie born Bridgeton 1940
Valuation Rolls 1935 and 1940 show a John Davren at 192 Dalmarnock Road, Bridgeton. Electoral rolls in that same period show a John and Sarah Davren living at that address.
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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Thursday 10 October 19 17:46 BST (UK) »
There are quite a few Arthur Davren births, mainly in Glasgow. They are probably all inter-related in some way ie brothers each calling a son Arthur in each generation. Looking at first names I suspect there is a link to John Davren and Jessie Carruthers who married in Glasgow in 1882. John seems to have been born around 1865 in Perthshire which would tie in with him possibly being the son of Arthur Davren and Agnes Shilland. It looks as if Arthur Davren who married Helen Hosie was the son of John Davren and Jessie Carruthers.
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Scotland / Re: Missing marriage for Arthur Davren in Inverness
« on: Thursday 10 October 19 16:10 BST (UK) »
That’s an interesting find, Annette as the only William I could see in that time period was a William Winning Davren who was born in 1945 in Camlachie. As you say, we really need the details off the birth certificate. Maybe someone visiting one of the Scotlandspeople centres would be willing to do a lookup.