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Kildare / Re: Meaning of a place name in Kildare
« on: Monday 14 August 23 23:21 BST (UK)  »
I thought I recall reading somewhere that most of the "towns" in Ireland were typically named by foreign settlers.

It was not uncommon to have "town"  appended to some man's name.

Depending on its antiquity, I would suggest that Blue might be the English/Scottish surname "Blew."

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Ireland / Re: Priest with two names
« on: Monday 14 August 23 22:26 BST (UK)  »
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Holier than what? 
In my case, assuming I am right, and it is the same guy - Lewis.  But Lewis only appears on the grave.  And get this - there is another Dominick buried in it, though I believe he died much later.

As another example, I have found a bishop/archbishop named Edward Dominic Murphy, who seems to have sometimes been called Dominic and sometimes Edward.

I thought Dominick might be a particular name of priests.  Perhaps, of Dominicans.  But Irishgenealogy.ie seems to have a lot of hits for people baptized with the name.

This particular fellow lived during penal times.  I considered the idea it could be an alias, but I just don't think it makes any sense.

And I tried pretty hard to explain it that way.  But he was mentioned in a will as Dominick, one year before he died.

And I really think it must be the same guy.  They were both vicars general.  And what, there is like 1-2 in a diocese?And from what I can tell the guy in the grave was a priest in the same parish at the same time.

Here's the grave, I can find no other certain reference to him as "Lewis."
http://www.enfieldgraveyards.com/Gravestone.aspx?GravestoneID=684

I'm not a 100% sure, but I assume the inscription dates to much later.  Would they say "vicar general", when a bishop was hiding in the same parish in 1704?

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Ireland / Priest with two names
« on: Monday 14 August 23 21:35 BST (UK)  »
Do priests ever adopt a new name when they get ordained?

Something that sounds holier, like "Dominick."  Or something like a confirmation name.

Anyone heard of a priest who was known by two different (first) names?

In theory, why would a priest have a different first name on his grave?  And should it probably be considered a birth name, if he does?

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Ireland / Re: Age at Ordination, c1820
« on: Friday 11 August 23 22:56 BST (UK)  »
Came across a fellow ordained c1850, who went to St. Patrick's in Maynooth, who I can precisely date.  He was 26, so fairly in-line with 25.

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Ireland / Re: Age at Ordination, c1820
« on: Friday 11 August 23 22:00 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Wexflyer

I think I've seen 23, but much earlier.  In the late1600s/early 1700s.

In reading about some of the Irish colleges on the continent, it seems like some of them (who went to college in the 1600s and 1700s) were about 30, before they returned to Ireland.

I remember coming across a suprisingly young age, for when these men sent abroad were "decided for the priesthood", in that earlier time.  Don't want to misquote it, but from memory, it was about 14.  But, obviously, that was just the career track.  Perhaps, getting some preliminary education.

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Ireland / Age at Ordination, c1820
« on: Friday 11 August 23 20:48 BST (UK)  »
I was wondering if anyone could tell me the typical age at which a Catholic priest was ordained, roughly around 1820.

Does 25 sound about right?

Anyone know what the minimum age might be?  Would something like 18 or 19 definitely be too young?

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Ireland Resources / Database of Catholic Priests
« on: Thursday 06 July 23 00:14 BST (UK)  »
Searchable database of Catholic priests.
https://clericus.ie/people

Seems like it is a work in progress, with some mistakes or flaws and more to be added (there are some historical priests that I can't find) but it already contains a lot, including priests on the 1704 list of popish priests, some ordination records, and names mentioned in at least a few wills.

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Dublin / Re: How to find Fisher abstracts?
« on: Monday 03 July 23 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Sounds a bit ominous, but it looks like they all say that.  Only D and E seem to not have been digitized, while A, B, and C were.

I don't know if there is a date for the previous digitizations, but I wonder why the other two are not up.

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Dublin / How to find Fisher abstracts?
« on: Monday 03 July 23 16:16 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find an abstract of a will for Fr. Edmund Duine d1689, priest of St. Catherine's, Dublin.

I have the vague idea that it is part of the Fisher abstracts for the Dublin Diocesan wills.  But I am at a loss to understand what volume I should be looking in, or where to find it, and was hoping someone could point me to the right volume, and tell me the strategy for finding it.

Duine or Dunne also seems to appear in an index to probate, where he is called a clerk, and which I am confused by.  I got a definite reference to a will, while reading a certain book.  Perhaps, the will was not registered, at the time he died?  But was later registered?

Could it be in Volume D, and is that not online?  Or am I way off?
https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000531549

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