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Nottinghamshire / Does this seem a feasible explanation for JAMES FLETCHER's roots?
« on: Monday 22 May 17 21:08 BST (UK)  »
Hello all,

I am currently researching the Fletcher side of my family.
My ancestor is JAMES FLETCHER, an agricultural labourer, born apparently about 1797 in Clarborough in Nottinghamshire, according to the 1851 census. He married Elizabeth Dobb at Cathedral St Peter, Sheffield, on 30 May 1814. James and Elizabeth had the following children; Mary Ann, Vincent, Catherine, James, Martha, Jane, Elizabeth, Fanny and Joseph.

Now I was trying to trace the ancestry of James Fletcher (who married Elizabeth Dobb), and yet I'm struggling to find a baptism for him. Both the 1841 and 1851 censuses suggested the 1797 date and place (the 1841 suggested he wasn't born in Yorkshire, which was where he was living at the time).
Now with his son having the (quite) unusual name of Vincent, I decided to look for possible relatives called Vincent. I found a baptism for a VINCENT FLETCHER, bap 29 Apr 1770 in Clarborough, Notts, the son of Joseph. Could this be a brother of James? I found a sibling to Vincent called James, this James being baptised 11 Nov 1787 at Clarborough, but obviously this is 10 years too early from what I was given in the censuses.
Despite this, I'm thinking this could be the right man - my James had already been widowed when he married Elizabeth Dobb, and I believe his first marriage was to Jane Snidall in Sheffield in 1811 - which would invalidate the date given on the censuses as he would have been only 14.

What do the people of rootschat think? Could this be my James, but he's given the wrong birth date?
Many thanks for any help,

Holly

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United States of America / Re: James MCWEENY, late 1800's, Massachusetts
« on: Tuesday 11 April 17 23:57 BST (UK)  »
Wow! The Rootschat community never ceases to amaze me! One of the major discoveries there is James's record for Naturalization - I knew he was from Leitrim, but didn't know it was Carrick, so hopefully that will take me one step closer to tracing him and his ancestors in Ireland!
And I'm very glad to see that it looks like his 3 youngest children went with him, and that they seem to have grown up and married in America.

I shall spend some time looking through all these links and making notes, but thank you so much to all of you! :)

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United States of America / Re: James MCWEENY, late 1800's, Massachusetts
« on: Tuesday 11 April 17 11:24 BST (UK)  »
shellyesq - Thank you, I'll have a look through the newspapers to see if I can find anything.
I've also had a look for 1891 census records in England (the next one after Elizabeth's death) for all of the older children of James and Elizabeth (Catherine b. 1849, Elizabeth b.1851, William b.1854, George b.1857, John b.1859, Ellen b.1862, Mary b.1864, and James b.1867) to see if they had taken the younger siblings in, but I can't find any trace of them. Elizabeth only had one known brother, and he's not living with any of the children either. James McWeeny had a few siblings I know about (Catherine b.1829 who married Ambrose Dolphin, William McWeeny b.1832 who married Fanny Holbery, and Thomas b.abt1836 and Patrick b.abt1838), but again, I can't find them with any of the children. The grandparents (James's parents Andrew McWeeny and Ellen, and Elizabeth's parents John Larkin and Elizabeth) had all already died by 1891.


Oneday - I've also found them registered as McWeling in Bradford on one census. Again, I can't seem to find them under variations either. I know the McWeeny's originally came from County Leitrim, I don't know exactly which parish though, but James McWeeny and his brother William were at least born there.

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United States of America / James MCWEENY, late 1800's, Massachusetts
« on: Monday 10 April 17 20:44 BST (UK)  »
Hello all,

I was originally tracing my MCWEENY line in Bradford (Yorkshire, England), but it seems now my search for more details on the life of James McWeeny (my 4x great grandfather) is taking me to the U.S.A.

James was originally married to Elizabeth Larkin (married at Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield, in 1848), where they had most of their children in Rotherham (Yorkshire), with the last child born in Bradford (Yorkshire). The children were born between 1849 and 1876. I believe that Elizabeth died in Bradford in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1882, leaving behind James and their 11 children.

Now I was looking long and hard for a death for James McWeeny, and couldn't find one anywhere. I couldn't find any more censuses for him, or his youngest three children Joseph (b.1870, Rotherham), Annie (b. 1872, Rotherham) and Agnes (b.1876 Bradford) either.
But it looks as though James McWeeny emigrated to the USA about 1882-1884, where he married Amelia Haslam in 1884 in the city of Lawrence, Massachusetts. I have then traced him with her - they had a daughter called Edith, born 1885 in Massachusetts. He then died in 1898.

However, I cannot find any trace of Joseph, Annie or Agnes (James and Elizabeth's youngest three children). I thought that maybe they stayed in England with their older siblings, but I can't find them anywhere. Nor can I find any deaths. So that takes me to America - could they have emigrated with their father? Or did James leave all 11 of his children behind in England?

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated, as it's taken me months just to trace James in the USA. And so far I can't find the three children in the USA.
Many thanks,
Holly

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Thomas Cullon death certificate 1882
« on: Friday 07 April 17 12:50 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Thomas Cullon death certificate 1882
« on: Friday 07 April 17 01:11 BST (UK)  »
Hello all,
I've attached a photo of 'cause of death' on a death certificate of my ancestor Thomas Cullon, who was 31 years old when he died in 1882.

I can make out the words spinal sclerosis and paraplegia, but I'm struggling to read the other words.
Help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Holly

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage between William Venables and Elizabeth
« on: Friday 17 March 17 19:58 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: MarkDent1965 on Friday 17 March 17 19:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Holly,
I was only coincidentally looking at Ann Venables and William Smart on the census trying to trace them after 1861, yesterday, I think I found 2 of their sons in Sutton, Lancashire in 1891 but not 100% it is them
Anyway Maria Venables married Samuel Bullas on 16 March 1846 at Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcestershire. Their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Venables Bullas born 20 Oct 1841 at Tipton, Staffordshire married John Boden on 19 July 1858 at St Andrew, Netherton, Dudley, Staffordshire. Their daughter Maria Boden born 1863 married John Martin on 5 March 1882 at St. Mark, Ocker Hill, Tipton, Staffordshire. Their daughter Maria Martin born 21 January 1887 in Dudley Port, Staffordshire was my grandmother, she married Samuel Butterfield in Leeds in 1903.
I am in Leeds, where are you in Yorkshire?

Thank you for all that information! It's always great to hear from people who are related in some way or another.
I am currently in Lincolnshire but I do normally live in Yorkshire near Sheffield - most of my family are from Yorkshire, with only links to other counties further back in the family lines.

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage between William Venables and Elizabeth
« on: Friday 17 March 17 19:09 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: MarkDent1965 on Friday 17 March 17 18:59 GMT (UK)
Hi,
William and Elizabeth Venables are my 4 x great grandparents.
I have also drawn a blank on Elizabeth's surname.
I am begining to think they were not married.
How are you connected to them.
I am descended from their daughter Maria Venables on my mothers line.
Regards
Mark


Hi Mark,
I am descended from their daughter Ann Venables, born 1825 in Tipton. Ann had an illegitimate son called Robert Davis Venables (son of a miner called Robert Davis, who's identity I do not know). She then married William Smart and had six children with him, called James, Elizah, John Thomas, Benjamin, Ann and Joseph, born between 1849 and 1867.
I am descended from the illegitimate son, Robert Davis Venables, who married Patience Perrins, and the two of them moved to Yorkshire.

I hadn't found much information about Maria Venables, so I'd be very grateful to hear about her.

Kind regards,
Holly

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Shropshire / LEWIS AND TISDALE, early 1800s - finding their families
« on: Sunday 19 February 17 23:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all,

As the subject title suggests, I'm currently trying to research two people; THOMAS LEWIS and SARAH TISDALE. They married on 7 Jun 1827 at St Chads in Shrewsbury, and had the following children;
- Emily Lewis (my ancestor) b.1828 Shrewsbury
- Edward Philip Lewis b. 1830 Shrewsbury
- John Lewis b. abt 1833
- William Lewis b. abt 1836
- Eliza Lewis b. abt 1842 in Wolverhampton

Now, I am wanting to find the families (e.g. parents and siblings) of Thomas Lewis and Sarah Tisdale. It's proving quite hard though. This is what I know about each of them:

- THOMAS LEWIS
a carpenter and joiner, born about 1806-1809 according to 1841 and 1851 censuses. Birthplace is said to be Marton in Shropshire on 1851 census.

- SARAH TISDALE
a bonnet maker in 1851, born 1809-1811 according to 1841 and 1851 censuses. Birthplace is unclear, but looks something like 'Weebatch' in Shropshire, according to 1851 census. 1841 census just says that she wasn't born in Staffordshire.

Any help tracing these two would be great. I can't find them alive on a census in 1861, they were living in Staffordshire in 1851. There are so many choices for deaths between 1851-1861 that I have no idea which one it could be, if indeed they did die in this time frame.

Thank you for any help and/or advice offered,
Much appreciated,
Holly

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