Where is Philip Gilleard, I can't find him on any census...

[Richard Knott]

1871 RG10/4363/93/54
Wellington Place, Dalton, Huddersfield

Philip GILLAND (but clearly Gilleard on census), 56, unemployed commercial clerk, b Goole
Elizabeth, 40, wife, b Hull
Lizzie, 16, dau, pupil teacher, b Huddersfield
Clara, 14, dau, emplyed in stamp office b Hull
Emily, 11, dau b Hull
Arthur C, 7, son, b Hull
Annie, 5, dau, b Huddersfield
William H, 2, b Huddersfield


1861  RG9/3585/68/12   Sculcoates

Elizabeth GILLIARD, 30, wife, lodging house keeper   
Lizzie, 6, dau, b Huddersfield
Clara, 4, dau, b Hull
Emily, 1, dau, b Hull

[alllegs]

Thank you rjknott,

That is definately them
xxxx

[Richard Knott]

How about this for a reason as to why Philip wasn't with his wife and children in 1861?!

1861  RG9/3423/66/3
Wakefield Prison

P.G., 44, commission agent, b Goole   (prisoner)

[alllegs]

WOW

Some scandal at last!

Ta muchly
xxxx

[Richard Knott]

....and the prison had been (fairly) recently re-built:
http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/CultureAndLeisure/HistoricWakefield/Highlights/Buildings/WakefieldPrison/History/default.htm

[alllegs]

Hi,

I'm stuck again.....

We have deduced that the PG rjknott found in Wakefield Goal is our man, however we cannot find him on the 1851 or the 1841....  He's not with his family.....Is he still in gaol?  I can't work out how to find Wakefield Goal on Ancestry in 51 or 41.....

Any ideas?  We think he must have been living in Huddersfield at the time as we have birth certs for his children from Hudds, although he could have been at Francis Street, Hull (His daughter Emily was born here in 1861).

PG was in prison at the time of the 1861 census but there are no info on the Wakefield quarter sessions about the crimes he committed.  Apparently Wakefield only took offenders from the West Riding and we think he was living in Hull at the time. 
He died in Huddersfield and is buried in Almondbury, his death cert states he was a book keeper but the burial record (3 days after death) states fish dealer.  A search of the papers at that time is being carried out as I type!
The Hull quarter sessions are proving a little more difficult as they are enormous book which are not indexed.

Anyway, we think that maybe PG was a re-offender from Hull hence him being sent to Wakefield for a second sentence as re-offenders seemed to get longer/harder punishments. Maybe explaining why he was in Wakelfield in 1861 and missing in 1851.

I think thats all for now.....

I hope my message makes sense!!  I'm quite confused!

Thanks again
Love
Legs
xxxxx

[CatOne]

Are these yours? transcribed as Gebhard

1851 HO107/2295 Folio 543 Page 34
South Street, Huddersfield, Yorks
Mary E Gilleard dau 12 Goole
Charlotte dau 10 Goole
Phillip 8 Goole
Douglas 6 Goole
Charlotte Broughton 31 Servant Yorks Thorne?

No parents listed

Regards
Catherine

[CatOne]

theres also this Philip Gilliard -

HO107/2350 Folio 222 Page 6
Hook, Yorks
Philip Gilliard 28 Master Shoemaker employing one apprentice Airmin, Yorkshire
Mary 27 North Cave Yorkshire
Edward Roberts 16 apprentice Laxton Yorks

I think Hook and Airmin are quite close to Goole

Regards
Catherine

[alllegs]

Thank you Cat,

They are definate possibilities as PG's father Cornelius was born in Airmin.  Although PG married a Douglass in 1838 and an Elizabeth in 1853....

The children are deifnately correct, they were from his 1st marriage to Douglass....  I wonder where he and she were?

Thank you again, where the heck his PG though?!   I can't seem to find any of the family on the 1841....  PG should be there somewhere with wife Douglass and daughters Mary Elizabeth and Charlotte

Love
Legs
xxxx