Red Burn Row?

[hochiwich]

I am trying to link a Joseph Allen said to have been born in Red Burn (or Barn) Row, Houghton-le-Spring,  c1830, with my great-great-grandfather Joseph Allen, also born c1830, but his birthplace is given as: Cross Fence(?). 

This Joseph's wife and children's birth place is given as Morton Engine  (1861 Census) so I feel perhaps Cross Fence is also in that area.

Can anyone tell me where anyof these places are/were and if perhaps the two Joseph's could possibly be the same person.   

hochiwich

[MINOR]

Those are all areas in Houghton le Spring.

[hochiwich]

Thank you, I thought perhaps they might be.

[johnscotchpiper]

I am trying to link a Joseph Allen said to have been born in Red Burn (or Barn) Row, Houghton-le-Spring,  c1830, with my great-great-grandfather Joseph Allen, also born c1830, but his birthplace is given as: Cross Fence(?). 

This Joseph's wife and children's birth place is given as Morton Engine  (1861 Census) so I feel perhaps Cross Fence is also in that area.

Can anyone tell me where anyof these places are/were and if perhaps the two Joseph's could possibly be the same person.   

hochiwich

[darosa]

Hi, I have Allen relatives in the 1840s at red burn row, does any ot the info below fit with your research?  I am searching for earlier connections. Here are the 1851 and 1861 census records.
Thanks, Suzanne

1851 Census, Houghton-le-Spring District
Family Number: 12422.5
Houghton-le-Spring 1851 Census, Colliery Row, Red Burn (or Barn) Row
James Allen, Head, married, 62, Coal Miner, born Newburn, Northumberland
Jane Allen, Wife, married, 60, born Newburn, Northumberland
Ann Allen, daughter, 24, born Red Burn Row, Houghton-le-Spring, County Durham
Joseph Allen, son, 21, Coal Miner, born Red Burn Row, Houghton-le-Spring, County Durham
Jane Allen, daughter, 19, born Red Burn Row, Houghton-le-Spring, County Durham
Jane Allen, granddaughter, 6, born Broomside, County Durham
Joseph Allen, grandson, 4, born Red Burn Row, County Durham

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&h=14617385&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=7619
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Baptisms, Houghton-le-Spring District - Record Number: 228176.0
Location: Houghton-le-Spring
Church: St. Michael & All Angels
Religion: Anglican
27 Mar 1847 Joseph Allen, of Houghton Union Poor House, Son of Ann Allen (spinster)
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1861 Census, Houghton-le-Spring District
Family Number: 14161.6
Houghton-le-Spring 1861 Census, Colliery Row
John Brown, Head, married, 37, Coal Miner, born Elswick, Northumberland
Ann Brown, Wife, married, 34, born Red Burn Row, County Durham
Jane Allen, stepdaughter, 15, born Red Burn Row, County Durham
Joseph Allen, stepson, 14, Coal Miner, born Red Burn Row, County Durham
Hannah Brown, daughter, 9, Scholar, born Red Burn Row, County Durham
Isabella Brown, daughter, 6, Scholar, born Colliery Row, County Durham
Barbara A. Brown, daughter, 4, Scholar, born Colliery Row, County Durham
James A. Brown, son, 2, born Colliery Row, County Durham
Mary Brown, daughter, 4 months, born Colliery Row, County Durham

[hochiwich]

Hello, yes, the Joseph Allen in the 1861 census was the father of my ancestor Stephen Henry Allen, who was my grandmother's father.

I have the James Allen family in 1841 in Colliery Row as follows:

Allen, James, 50, Coalminer,   Yes (born in the county)
Allen, Jane,    50,                    Yes
Allen, Francis, 30, Coalminer,   Yes
Allen, James,   20, Coalminer,   Yes
Allen, Ann,      14,                    Yes
Allen, Joseph,  12,                    Yes
Allen, Jane,     10,                    Yes
Allen, John,      8,                     Yes
Lamb, John,    70, Coalminer,    Yes

Very little information was included in 1841.  Relationships and marriage status are not included on the census. 
The details are from   HO 107 / 312 /12  Houghton ED5

I don't know whether this is of any help.

hochiwich

[Kirsty Spence]

Can any one let me know if this Allen family was related to a Thomas Allen of Houghton Le Spring who had at least one child called Benjamin Allen whose children were ..... Edward, Emily, Thomas, Stephen, Elsie, May and Aurther Allen. Emily's second marriage was to my Great Grandfather a Duncan Carmichael Yeoman. Im desperate to find a photo of Emily and Duncan. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Thanks x