Renfrey & Lewis

[Bitza 5]

my Gran Edith may Renfrey was born 12-5-1905 pontypridd her parents were James henry Renfrey and Catherine Ann Lewis James was born 1845 in truro and married Catherine in pontypridd abt 1893 I'm told he died end of 1904 (when Catherine was pregnant)
what i need to know is where there any more siblings to my Nan and what were Catherine and James fathers name if any one has access to view the certs and find out this would be great as I'm at a loss as there is so many Catherine Ann lewis's all of the same age out there.
thanks

[ems girl]

Bell Cleary,
Cany find them yet, but for refs for certificates;
James Henry Renfrey death Oct qtr 1904 Pontypridd vol 11a page 282.
James Henry Renfrey married Catherine Ann Lewis Ocy qtr 1893 Pontypridd vol11a page 849.
Edith May Renfrey birth July qtr Pontypridd vol 11a page 533.
Only way to find definate proof is to get certs, but I found James on 1861 in parish of St Agnes in Cornwall; living at 55, Blackwater;
Henry Renfrew age 44 occ; ag lab
Mary age 46 wife
James H age 16 occ; ag lab
John age 10
Samuel age 6
Jane age 74 mother/widow
All born St Agnes, Cornwall.


Cant find Catherine yet, but will look later (have to go out) unless anyone else can help.

[ems girl]

Just a quickie , found on 1881 parish of Penderry, Glamorgan in New Town;
James Henry Rhenfrey age 35 born Blackwater, Cornwall occ; labourer
Catherine age 31 born Twelve Heads, Cornwall wife
Edaward age 2 born Swansea
James H age 8 born Swansea
Mary E age 9 born Swansea
William F age 5 born Swansea
Samuel J age 11 born St Agnes, Cornwall.

Strange, as marriage found earlier was 1893, so he either married 2 Catherines, Or this is not the family!
Have tried all I can think of, but they are quite elusive.
Do you have your grandmothers' birth certificate?
Or marriage cert for James and Catherine?

[rhys]

Hello
Here are the family in 1901.
Confusing to say the least
Rhys

1901 Pontypridd

RG13 5002 F 164 P 39
47 TELEL KELIN ROAD
All RENFREY
Hean J  h m  56  General labourer COR Blackwater
Catherine w m 53 COR Key
James H s u 27 Coal miner  GLAM Swansea
Edward s u 23 Colliery Hitcher GLAM Swansea
Rupert s u 13  GLAM Swansea

[osprey]

could this be a confusion of 2 generations as both father and son are called James Henry Renfrey? They are certainly being elusive on the 1891 and 1901 census. There are other Renfrey births registered Pontypridd around that time.
Clarissa May 1Q 1894 11a 495 - her death is  reg 4Q 1896 11a 283
Beatrice Maud 3Q 1896 11a 510
Agnes 4Q 1896 - she's not theirs as I've found her on 1901 with father Richard
John Henry 3Q 1898 11a 537
Ivor Rhys F 4Q 1901 11a 463
Edith May 3Q 1905 11a 533 (yours definitely)
Catherine Ann 3Q 1906 11a 537
Susannah Jane 2Q 1908 11a 586.

Of course, the rest of these might belong to the other brothers on the 1881 census. Do you have your grandmother's birth certificate which would give occupation for her father or the marriage certificate for her parents which would give his age? If you don't, it would be worth getting them as otherwise there's too much guesswork involved.

Looks like Rhys has found them as I was typing - but Catherine looks rather old to have another child in 1905. Also which James married in 1893?

[osprey]

1871 Wheal Butson, St Agnes RG10/2277 folio 13 pg 17
James Renfrey head m 25 tin miner b. St. Agnes
Catherine wife 21 b. Gwennap
Samuel John son 1 b. St. Agnes
and next door
Henry Renfree head m 52 farmer 6 acres 
Mary wife 55
John son 20 tin Miner
Samuel son 17 tin miner
all born St. Agnes

1851 Blackwater, St Agnes H0107/1909 folio 559 pg 9
Henry Renfrey head m 32 copper miner b. Kenwyn
Mary wife 37 b. Kenwyn
James son 6 b. Kenwyn
John 6 months b. St. Agnes
and next door but one
Jane Renfrey head widow 67 b. Kenwyn

1841 Blackwater, St. Agnes H0107/149/4 folio 25 pg 12
Jane Renfrey f 55
Henry m 21 copper miner
Jane f 25 at the mines
Fanney f 20 at the mines
Christiana f 15 infirmed
Eliza f 2
all born Cornwall

[osprey]

Just to muddy the waters, I've found the marriage of James to Catherine Tregoning registered 1Q 1870 Truro vol 5c pg 208 - he's down as Remfrey. Birth of Samuel John Renfrey was registered 2Q 1870 Truro vol 5c pg 164.
1851 census Twelve Heads, Kenwyn H0107/1910 folio 563 bottom of pg 21/top of pg 22
Clarissa Tregoning Head m 35 Carpenter's wife husband in California b. Exeter
Mary E d 12 b. Kenwyn
William H s 9 b. St. Blazey
Thomas 7 b. Gwennap
John 5 b. Quithick
Catherine 2 b. Kenwyn
There's the death of Clarissa Tregening 2Q 1856 Truro vol 5c pg 115 and in 1861 Catherine is a housemaid in Twelve Heads, Kenwyn in household of John Ninness(?) RG9/1561 folio 37 pg 21.
So, who are the James Renfrey and Catherine Lewis who marry in 1893? If you don't already have the certificates, you need to get them for mother's maiden name and parents' age at marriage and their fathers' names.

 

[Bitza 5]

hi
What a mix up but i think i have sorted it out the first James who i thought was my g granddad is my gg granddad and the second is my g granddad both married a Catherine the second James in the 1901 census was a coal miner which is stated on my Gran's birth cert (which i have) it must have been his dad who married in 1893 and who  died in 1904 not Edith's dad. hope this makes sense. i  now have to put the brothers into family groups etc
 thank you all  for the hard work you have put into this. you have been a great help and i cant thank you all enough. sorry if you all got confussed as i did a big thank you to you all.
bell

[natevans28]

Hello,
I have James Henry Renfrey (1846-1904) Married Catherine Tregoning (1846- ), they had a son also named James Henry Renfrey (1872-1926) who married Catherine Lewis (1872- ) in 1893 and they had 12 children:

Cleary E Renfrey 1895 –
Beatrice M Renfrey 1896 –
John H Renfrey 1898 –
Clarissia M Renfrey 1900 –
Ivor Rees Renfrey 1902 –
Bertha D Renfrey1905 –
Edith M Renfrey 1907 –
Catherine Renfrey 1908 –
Susa J Renfrey 1908 –
Gladys Edna Whittle 1910 – 2002
Blodwen Phyllis Renfrey 1912 – 1983 -----(My great Grandmother)
Phelmer D Renfrey