Llanegwad church - vicar attacked. COMPLETED.

[bevbee]

I found this on the Crime and Punishment website and would love to know more!

Accused
David Thomas Ambrose; Parish: Llanegwad; County: Carmarthen; Status: Labourer
Offence
Riot and assault on prosecutor whilst he was solemnising a marriage at Llanfynydd church.

Location and date
Parish: Llanfynydd; County: Carmarthen; Date: 1 March 1791
Prosecutor
Rev. Cornelius Copner, clergyman
Verdict
No true bill.
File number
4/749/1
Document number
6
 
 
Accused
William Thomas Ambrose; Parish: Llanegwad; County: Carmarthen; Status: Labourer
Offence
Riot and assault on prosecutor whilst he was solemnising a marriage at Llanfynydd church.

Location and date
Parish: Llanfynydd; County: Carmarthen; Date: 1 March 1791
Prosecutor
Rev. Cornelius Copner, clergyman
Verdict
No true bill.
File number
4/749/1
Document number



They are ancestors of mine and I would love know what incensed them so much during a wedding ceremony that they attacked the vicar!

Can anyone tell me where I would find the details please?

Thank you.

Bev.   

[73cph]

Hello Bev,

I recently noticed your article about David Thomas Ambrose and William Thomas Ambrose.

I am a descendant of the Ambrose family from Llanfynydd.

Did you find out what happened at LLanfynydd Church.

Regards
Hywel

[bevbee]

Hi Hywel,

Not enough, I'm afraid. 

My father went to Aberystwyth and looked at the original documents but there were no more details than I had already found (above).

The vicar said he would ask the archivist to find out whose wedding was in progress at the time but unfortunately we haven't heard any more from him.

We haven't given up though, and we live in hope of finding out some more. 

If you want to send me a PM and tell me how you are related, we have quite a lot of info on the Ambroses we can share with you - my dad would be very interested to know the relationship.

On second thoughts, I'll send you a PM with my e-mail address, so you can get in touch.

Best wishes

Bev. 

[Mary W]

Only just seen this though it's an old posting. I too would love to know more about the happening in llanegwad church and also more about the Ambroses. I am descended from Eleanor Ambrose, born 1787 in Llanegwad, daughter of William Ambrose. His father was Thomas Ambrose, so I assume that Eleanor's father is the William Thomas Ambrose who was involved in the fracas in Llanfynydd church. Perhaps they were trying to stop the wedding.
If you have information on the Ambroses I'd love to hear more.

[bevbee]

Hi Mary, welcome to Rootschat.

I have sent you a Personal Message. We have plenty of info on the Ambrose family.

Bev. 

[annbelle]

hello bev
please excuse the intrusion.  i am seeking info about david evans whomarried a lettice puntan both of crofs inn 1841, the witnesses were a william ambrose pantycelin and a david williams of cross inn.

1867 at the wedding of david,s daughter anne (born at tynewydd llangathen 1843) and married at
bettws parish church a david ambrose was a witness.

the 1881 census shows a henry ambrose and wife jane at old cross inn llangathen where john the son of david evans ( born 1851 at nantarwenlliw) is also present shown as a cousin as an unmarried
rail engine driver.  would appreciate any info as to what the connection was between the ambrose and evans families.

many thanks annbelle

[bevbee]

Hi annbelle,

I had to ask my dad this one and this is his response so far;

William Ambrose 1811-1870.
1841 Census at Pantycelin,Llanfynydd.
1861 Census at Glansannan Mill, Llanfynydd.
 
David Ambrose 1844 - 1875 son of William.
1861 Census at Glansannan Mill, Llanfynydd.
1871 Census at Twyn Uchaf, Llangathen.
 
Henry Ambrose 1852 - 1939 son of William.
1861 Census at Glansannan Mill, Llanfynydd.
1871 Census at Court Henry Mill, Llangathen.
 
The 1861 addresses above are in close proximity to Nantarwenlliw with Tynewydd being some 3 miles distant.
 
Daniel, a brother of William was resident at Tynewydd in 1871 and died there in 1872.
 
I cannot readily make any Ambrose/Evans family connection but will spend some time looking at Evans Census entries to see if I can narrow things down a bit! May need a visit to the Archives.
 
I'll let you know if he comes up with anything else.

Best wishes,

Bev. 

[bevbee]

Only just seen this though it's an old posting. I too would love to know more about the happening in llanegwad church and also more about the Ambroses. I am descended from Eleanor Ambrose, born 1787 in Llanegwad, daughter of William Ambrose. His father was Thomas Ambrose, so I assume that Eleanor's father is the William Thomas Ambrose who was involved in the fracas in Llanfynydd church. Perhaps they were trying to stop the wedding.
If you have information on the Ambroses I'd love to hear more.

Mary, did you get my PM - I haven't heard any more from you. 

[bevbee]

Annbelle, I don't now whether this is of any help 

Have spent some more time on this but the number of Evans entries not really helpful - indeed, anything but!
 
My Ambrose records do include the following Evans links which may or may not be relevant:
William Ambrose 1747-1829 married Catherine Evans 1752-1837: they were resident in the parish of Llanarthney. A daughter, Mary born Llanarthney in 1792 married a William Decimus in Llanarthney Parish Church on 10th July 1813. That family name continues in Llanarthney up to at least 1861. Whether  Catherine Evans has any link to the David Evans referred to I just do not know. As a general rule my research follows the male line and I do not go beyond marriage, and thus change of name,for female entries.
The parish of Llanarthney lies between that of Llanegwad and Llangathen.
 
A John Ambrose 1750-1836 married a Mary Evans 1757-1839 - parish of Llandebie.
 
Sorry I cannot be more helpful.

I'd be very interested if you were to find out anything else.

Best wishes,

Bev.