Llangystennin Hall or Gloddaeth Hall??

[gwyilliams]

I am looking for my Great-grandmother and Great-grandfather.

My grandmother was Annie Williams, Born 5 June 1891, in a house called "Ty Isaf" in Penrhynside, Llandudno Caenarvonshire..(source: Cert. copy of Birth entry).
Her mother's name was Mary Roberts and her father's name Robert Williams, they married on 29 Nov. 1884, at Llandudno Congregational Church ( source: cert. copy of Marriage entry).  Robert Williams aged 22 and lived at "Llangystenin Hall", Llangystenin. His father's name Gabriel.

Mary Roberts aged 21 and lived at Rhos Mill Farm, Gyffin, her father's name Robert.

I have found a Robert Williams on the 1881 Wales Census RG11/5583/33/28; aged 18 and living at Gloddaeth Hall, Not Llangystennin Hall; Could this be it???

I have also found on the same census page, a Robert Roberts aged 26 born in Flintshire, however only 8 years older than Robert Williams .!!

Please am I on the right track or am I completely off the mark?

My thanks to any who wish to take this on.
Robert K. Williams

[D ap D]

Hi Robert,

have you found Mary and Robert in the 1891 and 1901 census?

If so, can you post the details? Armed with this info, it will be easier to track them in the earlier census'.

D

[gwyilliams]

Hi Dewi,
Yes, I have rec'd since the first posting, a photocopy of 1871 Wales census, RG10/5739/-/20, which I believe is my Robert age 8, complete with family.

On the same enumerator's page 20. I find another Robert Williams, also with a wife named Eleanor.  My family oral history has a Ellen Evans married to Robert Williams, however I think mine is entry No. 95.

I will continue to seek this family in the 1891 and 1901 census, But so many Williams!!!

I would post a copy of the census page and marriage cert. but have no idea how to do it??or if there is a copyright concern in doing so. If you find anything would appreciate very much.

Robert K.

[AK]

Hello there,

I have only just seen this, having been absent from Rootschat for a while.

Having lived in this area, I can advise you that Gloddaeth Hall is a separate place entirely from Llangwstenin Hall. Gloddaeth Hall is just outside Llandudno, on the hill above Craig y Don. It was owned by the Mostyn family but for a number of years, has been a boys school.

Llangwstenin Hall is situated near Bryn Pydew and what is called Glan Conwy Corner.  Llangwstenin is a little place with a lovely old church. The lane runs from Glan Conwy Corner to Penrhyn Bay. The Hall is still there and I am not sure what it is used for these days.

Let me know if you want more details.

AK

[gwyilliams]

Thanks for the Information AK,  I was confused as to these two places. As Robert Williams, was resident at Gloddaeth Hall in the 1881 Census.  Later in 1884 on his Marrage certificate he indicated his residence as "Llangystennin Hall, Llangystennin".  I have him again on the 1901 census living in Penrhyn, Llandudno.
Which I assume is Penrhynside, I spent my childhood in Penrhynside and remember the dwelling there,but little else
Thanks once again.
Robert Keith Williams

[kimhughes]

Penrhyn in Llandudno is probably Penrhyn Old Hall which used to be a farm

[gwyilliams]

Please Complete this topic, Thanks to everyone.