Looking for Parents of Jane Griffiths, from Pembrey

[English Daisy]

Hello Osprey and Rootschat Volunteers

Since, I did not present the Griffiths family facts well, in my previous messages, I would like to post the family details, again.  Thank you for your patience!   

Jane Preston Born: 1872 in Achddu Isaf, Sub-District Pembrey, Carmarthenshire. The registration district was Llanelly. I  have her birth certificate. Jane Preston is my grandmother. Jane had four siblings. They were born in Pembrey and/or Buryport.

Parents of Jane Preston were:
Jane Griffiths B: July 21, 1843 (IGI information may not be accurate.) Censuses record birth year, about 1843. I have no birth certificate for her. Jane Griffiths is my great grandmother.

Robert Samuel Preston B: May 28, 1849 in Liscard, Cheshire.
Married Jane Griffiths in 1869, at St. Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire.

In 1881 England Census, Jane and Robert Samuel Preston and there five children were living in Poulton Cum Seacombe, Cheshire. They spent the rest of their lives in Cheshire.

Jane Griffiths (born 1843) parents were:
Father:  John Griffiths was a fireman.  John was my great, great grandfather!
Mother:   unknown
Siblings:  unknown

I have eight grandchildren, and I would dearly love to be able to talk to them about their Welsh great, great grandparents and great grandparents, on both sides of our family tree.  One side of the family lived in Carmarthenshire, and the other resided in Denbighshire, Wales!  I regret that our family living today, know so little about their deceased Welsh families.  I hope you can help me! 

Thank you

English Daisy

[osprey]

 The IGI record you found is one submitted by a member of the LDS church. This sort of record should be treated with extreme caution until it can be verified by another source, if it can be verified at all. Some of the info on these records is guesswork and nothing more. Some are accurate. You just can't tell until you get your verification.
You could still try the registrar in Llanelli for a birth cert and ask them only to supply if the father is John.
I've checked all the John Griffiths in Pembrey & area old enough to have a daughter born in the 1840s  - none of them is a fireman, there's one who is a labourer in a copper works, but his daughter Jane was born 1838.
I'll have another look for Achddu Ishaf later, with refreshed eyes.
 

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

Genealogical research can be hard at times to pull oneself away from!

Re John Griffiths occupation:

It is possible that John Griffiths could have had several jobs, during his life.

His occupation at the time of his daughter's marriage was fireman, but when he was single or just married, he could have had a quite different occupation.

I just hope something comes up, because I got no where at all with my Denbighshire Welsh relatives, up North!  She had a  name "Griffiths", also, but I do not think they are related.  Wouldn't it be funny, if they were!!!!

Thank you

English Daisy

[English Daisy]

Hello Osprey

I found a name in my deceased mother's address book (mid-1900s), which has "cousin" written next to it! 

Gladis Griffiths
Head Mistress
Llanelly, South Wales

Is there any way of getting information on this lady? 

This might be the link to help us find our Griffiths family!

Best Regards

English Daisy

[osprey]

I've attached a link to Pam's thread on tracing living relatives which is more suitable for your last query than using census and bmds.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,171449.0.html

I'm beginning to wonder if Jane 'lost' a few years from her age when she married a younger man, she would not have been the first. 
The family I keep coming back to is one in the right area, although their address is not Achddu Ishaf - no Griffiths family there in 1871.

1871 The Village, Llan RG10/5470 folio 17 pg 9
John Griffiths head mar 60 labourer at copper works b. Llanelly
Ann wife 57 b. Llanelly
John son 24 labourer at lead works b. Llanelly
Thomas son 13 scholar b. Pembrey
Mary Anne grand dau 11 scholar b. Pembrey
Edwin (? unclear) grand son 7 b. Pembrey

1861  Bankybrooks, Pembrey RG9/4115 folio 40 pg 48
John Griffiths head mar 51 copper works lab b. Llanelly
Ann wife 49 b. Llanelly
Jane dau 23 b. Llanelly
John son 14 scholar b. Llanelly
William son 10 scholar b. Llanelly
Thomas son 3 b. Pembrey
Mary A dau 5 months b. Pembrey

1851 Towynbach HO107/2469 folio 123 pg 11
John Griffiths head mar 40 copper smelter
Ann wife 38
Jane dau 13
Ann dau 8
John son 4
all born Llanelly

can't spot them in 1841, but with rounded down ages, no place of birth, and no relationships, it's not easy to find common names on the 1841. 
Given his occupation of fireman on the marriage cert, does not mean that John would show up as fireman on the census. The enumerators were limited in the descriptions of occupations that they could use. I would think something along the lines of copper smelter is more likely. The 1871 address is the next page from Furnace.
   
I noticed that the Preston family have a 6 yr old niece, Betsy Griffiths, living with them in 1891. Any idea who she belongs to? It would be easier to find Jane if there was another sibling to look for as well.

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

Thank you for the genealogical link!

Regarding Jane's niece, Betsy Griffiths, in 1871 Census, born in Poulton, Cheshire, I  have no more information on her.

There is a Mary Ann Griffiths, born 1863, Pembrey, Wales in our family.

She married a Charles Hayes, born Mar. 3, 1865 in Birkenhead, Cheshire and died in 1912, Poulton.  Her address then was 20 Rosalind St. Poulton, Cheshire.  We do not know if she is related to the Jane Griffiths family.

Getting back to Gladis (or Gladys) Griffiths.

I think she was a spinster. Being a Headmistress at a school in Llanelly, I thought she would be quite visible in the community and listed in old phone directories!

Gladys was an older woman, back in 1970. She may even have died, prior to that date.  The address book may have been used prior to 1970, by maybe 10 years! 

Thank you

English Daisy

 

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

I will be ordering a birth certificate for Jane Griffiths, born in 1842,
with  father John Griffiths, from Llanelli Registration Office.  Apparently,
there is no Jane Griffiths born on July 21, 1843, as recorded on the IGI.

Your post, on Friday 18 May 07, listed the following 1851 Census details:

John Griffiths head widower 57 blacksmith with 7 children.
In 1841, spouse's name was Jane age 38!

You made the comment:
"Bit of a thing for pubs? "

What information gave you that impression?

Also, listed was the address:

Royal Oak, Llangennech

Is Llangennech near Pembrey?

The reason I did not go with the second family you suggested
is that Jane Griffiths, born in 1838, would be too old for the man
she eventually  married. 

With the first family above, Jane would be 7 years older than 
Robert Samuel Preston.  With the second family, Jane would
be 11 years older!

Now I know why Jane looks so much older than her husband,
in a picture I have of them!

Thank you for your help!

English Daisy

[osprey]

The info about pubs came from their addresses on the census - Butcher's Arms on one and the Royal Oak on the other, father is a smith, not a publican, wondered if he ran a pub as well.

Llangennech is the other side of Llanelli from Pembrey

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llangennech/index.html

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey!

I laughed when I read your post about pubs. The next two generations
I think were l abstainers!!!!!!

Re:  Gladys Griffiths   Cousin

1881 Welsh Census.
This is the only Gladys that came up. 

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Osprey would you be able to look Gladys up on the 1891 or 1901 Census?

Are there any school archives which list teachers employed?
Telephone archives: early 1900 might have her phone number?  She lived for many years while she was a headmistress in Llanelli,on Alban's Road!

Thank you for your help Osprey. I am beginning to make progress in
getting to know my Welsh grand and great grandparents!

Wouldn't it be exciting to find a "living Griffiths relative" in Llanelly!

While researching my English side of the family two months ago on the internet, I found two ladies, who are related to me in England.  We share the same great, great grandparents!!!!! We have exchanged pictures of our relatives!

Thanks again

English Daisy