Joiner Buckley

[An65]

According to the Census which you have above:

Frank Buckley age 39 Suffolk  Carman
Elvina wife age 32 Hawker  born Suffolk
Mercy dau age 14 Notting hill Middlesex
Leonard son age 12 Petre Suffolk
Albert son age 10 Plaistow essex
Uriah son age 7 Thundersley Essex
Bertha dau age 5 Plaistow
Ambrose son age 2 Plaistow
Joiner Buckley son age 2 months Plaistow

"Elvina" I belive was actually Elvira Williams.

Joiner Buckleys wife was Sarah Smith also known as Seni Smith. Thats about all I can remember offhand.

[chellin2]

Thank you very much for that information An65

Chellin2

[An65]

I havent finished yet 

I had a nose round the Ancestry site. As well as being fab for having loads of Census records BMDs etc etc they also have family trees uploaded by members to peruse. I found one called Buckley Family Tree.  So, here you go!:


Joe Buckley b.cir 1780 married Lavinia Skipper

They had

Elijah b.cir 1810 d.1833

Hirum b.cir 1810

JOINER b.cir 1810 d.1886 Plaistow Ex married Sarah "Seni" Smith d.1886

Sam b.cir 1810

Well Joiner and Sarah/Seni had:

Josiah b.cir 1837 Kent d.1873 married Alice Smith d/o James Smith and Elizabeth Odell b 1838 Soham Cam d.1921. Josiah can be found on the 1861 Census at Chrisall Ex with other travelling families who are closely related: Welches and Shaws. (More on them in a moment).

Josiah and Alice had at least two children: Arthur, and
Lazarus - b.1872 d.1925 d.1925 Rochford Ex, he married Elizabeth Shaw (d/o William) b.cir 1871 Ware Herts d.1945 Southend. They can be found on the 1891 Census at West Tilbury Ex, and 1901 Census at Romford Ex.

Their children were:
Corolinda (Lender) 1890 - 1963
Beatrice 1892 - 1948
Matilda 1894
Elias 1896
Leonard 1899 - 1972
Benjamin 1906  - 1968
Penda 1908
Adolphus 1909 - 1983
Eziekiel 1911
Jeremiah 1914 - 1973

Going back to Joiner and Sarah/Seni - their other children were:

Carnation 1839 -1916 (also married briefly to Alice Smith (above) yes thats actually more common than youd think)

Justina 1840 married Woodlock Smith. Now Woodlock is well known for having two brothers, Bartholomew and Cornelius. Cornelius Smith was the father of the evangelist Gypsy Rodney Smith.

Kiomi b.cir 1840

Noah b.cir 1840

Santalina b.cir 1840

Phoebe b.cir 1842

Hercules b.cir 1843 Sfk

FRANK b.cir 1842 Sfk married Elvira Williams 1849 - 22.02.1882 West Ham.

Frank and Elvira had:

Mercy b.cir 1867
Leonard b.cir 1869
Albert b.cir 1871
Uriah b.cir 1874
Bertha b.cir 1876
Ambrose b.cir 1879
Joiner b.cir 1881 - 1882.

[An65]

I have a marriage certificate for one of my possible ancestors, with Joiner Buckley as the bride's father. Her name is Naomi Buckley and she married James Taylor in Stow,Suffolk, in 1861. He is a licensed hawker.

Methinks this is the Kiomi on the family history page I found at Ancestry.com.

Rom names were often mis-transcribed. Justinia Buckley/Smiths name turns up transcribed as Testaner and Jessima on the census transcriptions. Lazarus turns up as something unpronouncable on one of them as well. Its worth knowing too, that the Buckleys sometimes went under the alias of Smith. It did not matter one jot to them if they used the mans surname or the wifes, or indeed his mothers or heaven only knows what connection.

Dud aka Arkless Buckley aka Smith was the hubby of Genty/Jenty/Genti/Gentee Gray g.d/o the fabled No Name Heron/Hearn/Herring for a short time. Its hard work checking out the Rom connections. Follow your nose, and go by gut instinct. Likelihood is, you are probably right. Genty/etc various was bapt as Gentee. she often turns up on the census as plain Jane Gray - but she married Arkless (call it Hercules if you like!) Smith/Buckley and he is with her on the 1871 census only as plain Arthur. But he was a Buckley who went by the Smith name. Jenty Smith died in 1918 and is buried at Gorleston Cem in Yarmouth.

[chellin2]

Oh An65 how can I thank you for all that information, I really really am very grateful.

This has made it very easy for me, thanks sooooooooo much

Chellin2

[An65]

youre welcome 

[matilda1973]

Hi Ann
               do you have the census folio for Genty and Hercules in 1871 as i can find that one which last name are they using
      thanks merry christmas
                 Matilda

[An65]

Copied from my site:

Thorpe Common, Gypsies In tents, Thorpe St Andrew, Norfolk, 1871
RG10 1828 28 48

Orsera Gray 61 Travelling Musician Hornsey (Horningsea) (Oseri)
Eliza Gray 55 Lincoln Lin (nee Heron)
Soberona Gray 20 North Walsham "Leborina"
Sonny Gray 40 Kelby Lin
Keona Gray 28 Wisbeach "Kiomi"
Emma Gray 22 Norwich
Adolphus Gray 25 Long Sutton
Ethel Maud Gray 8 Scholar Grandaughter London
Frederick Gray 6 Grandson  London
Madelina Gray 3 Grandaughter Scholar London
Henry Herbert Gray 1 Grandson Norwich
\\
Boyer Brown 65 Long Sutton Lin  "Bui"
Lydia Brown 50 Bury St Edmunds Sfk "Liti" nee Smith
\\
Alice Rupert?? 44 Hawker Cambridge
Willimania Rupert?? 19 camp attendant Kent
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Thomas Brown 52 Dealer of Horses Lengton Cam
Lydia Cooper daughter 40 Fakenham "Lidi"
Sapariel Brown duaghter 23 Wisbeach
Edith Cooper 23 Gdtr Yarmouth
Noah Brown 13 Gson Edgefield
John Brown 17 Gson Houncett?
Cordelia Brown 11 Gdtr Reedham
Alfred Brown 4 Gson Thorpe
Laura Brown 1 Gdtr Norwich
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Arthur Smith 29 Cane Chair Mender Hornsey Sfk "Arkless"
Jenty Smith 30 Boston (Genti Gray)
Obadiah Gray 15 Stepson musician Hengham (Ingham)
Norah Gray 9 stepdaughter North Walsham
Oscar Gray 6 stepson Sprowston

[matilda1973]

thanks Ann
                      i looked and couldnt see it , should of looked harder