John GORDON -- Sarah PEEBLES

[MonicaL]

Hi  Peter

William's will seems specific and clear in the mention of the arrangements for nephew John. Hard at this stage to identify purely from the censuses any other child born to John Gordon and Sarah. The only other thing of note that I saw was the 1851 entry for William, brother to John, in Edinburgh with a nephew William in the household:

William Gordon 45, Builder (master) Emply 19 Men , b. Edinburgh
Fanny Gordon    51, sister, b. Edinburgh
William Gordon 12, nephew, b. Edinburgh
Janet Halden 40, servant

Address: 5 Lothian Road, Edinburgh St Cuthberts

Hard to say who was the father of the young William above.

Monica

[MonicaL]

  Found John and Sarah with son William (from 1851) in the 1841 Census in Scotland...I think 

John Gordon 25, painter, b. Scotland
Sarah Gordon    25, b. Scotland
William Gordon 2, b. Scotland
Ann Fair 20, servant, b. Scotland

Address: No 8 Bath St, Glasgow St George

Monica

[indigobloke]

Hi Monica

Very useful find; we hadn't stumbled upon this census entry before.

This is definitely the William whose will I quoted. He left one sixth of his estate to his sister Fanny and requests that his brother Robert take her into his home when he (William) dies.

This nephew has distinct possibilities as a candidate as John & Sarah's first child and would have been born in about the first year of their marriage. There is another William, son of the aforementioned brother, Robert Gordon, but he wasn't born yet. His IGI entry reads:

Birth:     12 FEB 1854   Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Parents:
     Father:     ROBERT GORDON    
     Mother:     MARGARET NICOL

Interestingly, there is a William Gordon listed as a witness on the death certificate of Eliza Gordon (nee Pierce), John's second wife. We may have struck gold!


Ah, just spotted your very recent post ... excellent find!! Thanks so much.

Peter

PS. Tom, it is becoming crystal clear that the whole story about John being in the  Highlanders is a complete furphy.

[MonicaL]

Tom mentioned in an earlier post that there was a death in 1848 of a Sarah Comb Peebles showing on IGI as a submitted entry.

There was in fact a marriage between a David Peebles and a Sarah Comb on 14 DEC 1809 Edinburgh Parish. Very likely these were the parents of Sarah. Two children show for them on the OPRs:

31/08/1810   George PEEBLES   Parents:DAVID PEEBLES/SARAH COMB at St Cuthbert's EDINBURGH CITY
05/10/1812   Sarah PEEBBLES   Parents:DAVID PEEBBLES/SARAH COURB at St Cuthbert's EDINBURGH CITY

Also in the location of Glasgow St George in 1841 is likely to be George Peebles, brother to this Sarah I believe (married to a Jane Wilson on 01 DEC 1837 in Glasgow):

George Peebles 30, joiner journeyman, b. Scotland
Jane Peebles    30, b. Scotland
David Peebles    2, b. Lanarkshire
Janet Peebles    8 Months, b. Lanarkshire

Address: Shamrock Street, Glasgow St George in The Fields 

Children showing to them on IGI:

1. JANNET PEBBLES Christening: 29 NOV 1840 Cambridge Street United Presbyterian, Glasgow
2. SARAH PEEBLES Christening: 27 NOV 1842 Cambridge Street United Presbyterian, Glasgow
3. JEAN WILSON PEBLES Christening: 27 APR 1845 Cambridge Street United Presbyterian, Glasgow

Monica

[indigobloke]

Monica

Thanks again. Yes, we knew about the death. I think my second cousin has applied to get the death certificate of this Sarah. I'm confident that she is the one but we are unsure of how much detail there will be on the certificate.

Peter

[MonicaL]

Hi Peter

The 1848 death entry (submitted on IGI) for potentially Sarah Peebles Gordon's mother, is before the start of official registration in Scotland (1855). As such there is no death certificate as there was post 1855. If there is anything relating to this possible 1848 death, it will likely be in the form of a relatively basic entry on an Old Parish Register or monumental inscription (which might contain more info).

Not sure if you have come across this site www.scotsfind.org. It specialises in Edinburgh historical records. For example, there is this entry in the Canongate Marriage Register:

Mary, daughter of Alexander Robertson farmer in Kirk Newton, and William Gordon 11 April 1798

You may find some other information which of interest.

Monica 

[indigobloke]

Monica

This does appear to be the marriage register entry for John senior's parents William and Mary. I had already downloaded it from SP. However, when I tried to trace Mary's birth, the only match was:

Robertson   Alexander Robertson Merchant in Leith and Christian Howieson Sp. A.D.N. Mary born 1st bap’d 14 June 1778. Witn. David Boswell Dancing master & William Ronald Merchant there.

This should probably be a new thread but I have been wondering whether these are the same Marys. A merchant in Leith and a farmer in Kirknewton seem a world apart to me.

Also, I have just been on SP looking for the birth of young William c. 1839 but haven't had any hits from my searches.

Peter

[MonicaL]

Hi Peter

I agree, not sure a merchant from Leith and a farmer from Kirknewton could be the same man....

Just as an aside, there is a will for an Alexander, merchant in Leith in 1838 on SP.

We have Alexander for Mary's father from the 1797 OPR marriage entry. The only other clue I can see is a submitted IGI entry for a daughter born to them c.1799 showing as Fanny which may possibly indicate the name of either William or Mary's mother.

In respect of the children of John and Sarah, also like you, I have been unable to find any mention on the OPRs for their births or christenings.

Monica

[indigobloke]

Hi Monica & others

Have found a St Cuthberts memorial inscription in ancestry for, I think, Robert Gordon, one of John's brothers. It has a wealth of information including approximate birth dates for their parents. Using this, I have found, on IGI (and SP basic listing doesn't give any further information) that there was a Mary Robertson christened in May 1777 in Kirriemuir, Angus, with a father named Alexander. We have also tracked down the birth details of John's father, William, in Gorbals parish, Lanarkshire.

So, progress is being made but still no evidence of the son(s) ... at least no matching names were on the inscription.

Peter