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Re: Father's name on marriage cert. But is he illegimate?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 28 May 16 15:43 BST (UK) »
I agree Elizabeth surname is likely incorrect in 1851 Census

Having trouble find William 1861 with Uncle and Family.
EDIT, sorry AUNT

Can you provide spelling and pob this Dallimore Aunt please?

1851 William is DALIMORE, 1 L, born c 1844 Shepton Mallet.

1881 Wales Census has William H Dallimore, born c 1844,  Shepton Mallet, Somerset,
living in  Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales
With him and Family is Elizabeth BROWN, Mother, Widow

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Re: Father's name on marriage cert. But is he illegimate?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 28 May 16 16:21 BST (UK) »
MARRIAGE;
05 Oct 1856, St John the Baptist, Frome
John BROWN,age 53, Widower, Labourer, abode Church St, Father JAMES, Occp Labourer
Elizabeth DALLIMORE, age 36, Worker at Factory, abode Church St, Father JOHN, Occp Work Sorter
Witnesses, James King, Jane Beacham

Work Sorter may be Wool Sorter

Possible Baptism;
ELIZABETH Dallimore, 1 July 1820, St Peter and Paul, Shepton Mallet (Birth 5 March 1820)
Parents JOHN/URSULA
Fathers Occp Wool Sorter**
Abode New Street

JOHN Dallimore Married Ursula RICHMOND, 31 Oct 1802 same Church.
Bachelor/Spnster

URSULA was Buried 24 March 1841 age 64, abode New Street
JOHN was Buried 17 Jun 1832 age 57, abode New Street
So neither appear 1841 Census

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Re: Father's name on marriage cert. But is he illegimate?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 28 May 16 17:08 BST (UK) »
OK, figured it out;

1861 Census
Tredegar, Monmouthshire,Wales
Elizabeth Dickins, 40
John Dunsmore, 19
Arsalia Dunsmore, 16
Thomas Dunsmore, 14
William Dunsmore, 11
Joseph Dickins, 7
Sarah Dickins, 4
WILLIAM Dunsmore, 17, Nephew, born Shepton Mallet*****

JOHN Dallimore was Baptised 21 Jan 1815 to JOHN/URSULA (FreeREG)

Married Elizabeth JACOBS 1839 (FreeBMD)

He was Buried 21 April 1852 age 37 (FreeREG)

Elizabeth married Joseph DICKENS 1853 (FreeBMD)
He died 1858 (Joseph DICKINS,Reg Abergavenney)

She remarried to Thomas BATES 1863, Reg Bedwelty.

So looks to me that William was the illeg Son of Elizabeth.
He lied on his M/C as to his Fathers name/occp

So Elizabeth Parents were John/Ursula, John 1815 was her Brother and therefore his Wife Elizabeth nee Jacobs was the Aunt by Marriage to Willam.

To tie it up John/Elizabeth nee Jacobs name a Daug Ursula 1844, Johns Occp Basket Maker (FreeREG)

Cheers,
Trish :)
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Re: Father's name on marriage cert. But is he illegimate?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 28 May 16 17:27 BST (UK) »
Well done, Trish.... ;)

1861 ref; RG9; Piece: 3999; Folio: 5; Page: 4; and FWIW I think the name the enumerator has written is DUNIMORE not DUNSMORE, probably misread the DAL[L]IMORE written by member of the household.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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Re: Father's name on marriage cert. But is he illegimate?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 29 May 16 13:20 BST (UK) »
Allthough the original post was old it may help someone else in the future :)
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Re: Father's name on marriage cert. But is he illegimate?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 29 May 16 13:27 BST (UK) »
I agree - new eyes are always useful & you never know when someone will make a search for one of the names  :)
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON