1891 Look up please - Charles Tilbrook - Completed with many thanks!

[Helen O]

I wonder if anyone would kindly look up Charles Tilbrook on the 1891/1901 census returns please.

In 1881 he looked like this:

Charles TILBROOK Head M Male 24 Aldershot Engine Fitters Labourer      
Louiza TILBROOK Wife M Female 32 Kildare, Ireland.

Living at 18 1/2 Bradford Sreet, Attercliffe Cum Darnall, Sheffield.

Charles was still around in 1901, but unfortunately, wife Louiza passed away in July 1900.

I believe that Charles might have been listed as being born in Ireland on earlier returns, so this might be a difficult one.  I do know that both Charles and Lousia died in Sheffield, I would have expected to find them in Attercliffe cum Darnall.

Thanks to all!

Helen


ps!!  Just lately I have been spending far more time than I ought to on my family tree.  I would like to say a BIG BIG THANK YOU to the kind members of this forum you have helped my work progress!!  The time and help I have been given has been truly amazing.  I do hope I haven't asked too much!  Thanks again.

[Tati]

Hi Helen,

I'm not sure ... do you recognise the children by any chance?

1891
RG12/3836 79 5
Brightside Bierlow
8 H 9 ct Meadow Hall Rd
3 rooms occupied
Charles Tillbruke, head, 31, Crane Driver, b. Ireland Fermoy
Louisa, wife, 38, Charwoman, b. Yorkshire Sheffield
Mary A, dau, 8, b. do.
Emily E, dau, 6, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 4, b. do.
Annie, dau, 1, b. do.
Mary Jones, lodger, s, 60, b. do. 

 

[Helen O]

Hi Tati,

I didn't know of any children, so this is all extra information.  Brilliant!

The occupation definitely rings a bell, and I had originally believed Charles to be born in Fermoy, so it's all looking very positive.  The address is in the same part of Sheffield. 

Again,  thank you for your time.

Helen.

[Mum44]

Well - in 1901 I found Charles aged 42 Wid. Gas Producer b. Sheffield, Lodger, two children Joseph aged 14 and Lizzia aged 8, but I can't find them in 1891.  In 1901 they are in Attercliffe cum Darnall  :RG13. P. 4387 Fol 143 Pg 3.

Having read Tati's family - which I also saw and put on one side to look for 1901 confirmation - now I don't know !  We know Louisa died before the 1901 - but the children aren't the same!

[Helen O]

Hi there, Mum44,

Thanks for your help.

When Charles died in 1930, aged 70, his occupation on the burials was 'gas maker'.  So it looks likely that the 1901 return could be correct, but this time his place of birth is Sheffield!

The older children listed in 1891 might have left home by 1901, but that still leaves Annie, for which I can find no burial at the local cemeteries.

Lizzie, who appears in 1901 would not have been born in 1891, so her appearance in 1901 doesn't have to be an issue.  I wonder, did you (or Tati, or anyone else who would like to join in......) notice Joseph who would have been around 4 years old appear on the 1891 return?

Thanks for sticking with me on this!

Helen.

[Tati]

I've searched for Joseph in 1891 and can't find him anywhere. Same with Elizabeth in 1901! 

[Mum44]

Hi -

I couldn't find Joseph either - which was why I took so long on the first post - wanted to cross-check, but can't see him. 

[Helen O]

How odd!

I did say I thought it might be a difficult one, and that's when Charles birthplace was Fermoy or Aldershot!  Now we can add Sheffield into the mix!

Thank you to you both for thoroughly checking this out for me!  The family had military connections and they did travel around a fair bit (one cousin was even born in Hong Kong!).  But I do know they ended up in Sheffield.

I think it (might) be a safe bet to assume they are the same family.  The grandparents, William and Mary Tilbrook always had grandchildren living at their address with them throughout the crs, so I know extended family cared for younger members, which might explain Joseph's absence in 1891.

Thanks again to you both!

Helen.

[Helen O]

Ooops, sorry to be a pain, did you notice the address of the family on the 1901 return.  In 1899 I have Louisa's address as 5 Carbrook Place.

I'VE HAD A BREAKTHOUGH!!! Annie and Emily on the 1891 cr are with Aunty Margaret in 1901, who was by then married to Soloman and was Margaret Baker, so it does all cross refer, they were at 24 Edward Road, same part of Sheffield.

Thanks again!

 Helen.