Dyer and Davies of Glamorgan & Carmarthen

[Debby]

1. Davies GG Grandparents Davies who were apparently from Northern Wales.

1. Dyer GG Granparents Dyer.

2. Davies
a. David Davies b1827c Llanllawddog - Copperman

2. Dyer
a. Rachel Dyer b1821 Carmarthen (never married) d1881 Swansea
b. Elizabeth Dyer b1825 Carmarthen d pre 1871
c. William Dyer b1828 Llanwahary Carmarthen (never married) d 1897 Swansea bootmaker
d. Isaac Dyer b1831 Llanwahary Carmarthen (never married) d 1891 Swansea bootmaker

3. David Davies m Elizabeth Dyer b1825c Carmarthen (the children were apparently orphaned quite young)
a. James b1849 Llangyfelach Copperman
b. Thomas b1847 Llangyfelach Hammerman
c. Isaac b1850 d pre 1861 Llangyfelach
d. William b1854c Llangyfelach Labourer
e. David b1859 Llangyfelach this son supposedly immigrated to Australia. Bootmaker
f. Rachel b1861 d pre 1871 Llangyfelach

Isaac and William were bought up by their "Dyer" aunt and uncles (who all lived together) after their mother died.

4. Children of James Davies b1849 and Mary Rees b1850 Llangyfelach
a. Elizabeth Ann b1873 Llangyfelach m Mr Lewis
b. Rachael b1877 Llangyfelach m George Murin
c. David Glynn b1879c m Ann Ungoed
d. Thomas Rees b 26 Feb 1880 Llangyfelach
e. William James b1882c m Martha Richards
f. Isaac b1884c m Catherine ??

5. Thomas Rees Davieis m Jane Davies b 27/9/1879 (daughter of William Davies and Elizabeth??)

Idwal Davies b1903 m Agnes Llewellen
Trevor Davies b1904 m Susan Evans
Elizabeth Mary Davies b1906 m Cyril Hiscocks
William Gwynfryn Davies b1908 m Adeline Capell
Gwenllian Davies b1910
Phyllis Morfydd Davies b1911 m David Jones
James Dewi Davies b1914 m Edna Thomas
Thomas Marlais Davies b1916 m Marjorie Finch
Edward Henry Davies b1918 m Megan Hackerman
Emlyn Davies b1921 m Rosella White

We have information on these two families:
Thomas Marlais Davies b1916 m Marjorie Finch
Edward Henry Davies b1918 m Megan Hackerman

but would love to hear from anyone else who is descendent from any of the generations of this tree.

Debby
(Australia)

[Welsh Jen]

3. David Davies m Elizabeth Dyer b1825c Carmarthen (the children were apparently orphaned quite young)
a. James b1849 Llangyfelach Copperman
b. Thomas b1847 Llangyfelach Hammerman
c. Isaac b1850 d pre 1861 Llangyfelach
d. William b1854c Llangyfelach Labourer
e. David b1859 Llangyfelach this son supposedly immigrated to Australia. Bootmaker
f. Rachel b1861 d pre 1871 Llangyfelach

I have a David Davies and an Elizabeth (no maiden name) in Llanelly. Anything here of interest for you?

David Davies was born 1828 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire, Wales.  He married Elizabeth (maiden name ?).  She was born 1838 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

David Davies:
Address (Facts Pg): 1881, Penderi Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Occupation: 1881, overman in coal works
   
Children of David Davies and Elizabeth are:
Mary2 Davies, born 1856 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

Mary Davies:
Address (Facts Pg): 1881, Penderi Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Occupation: 1881

Martha Davies, born 1859 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

Martha Davies:
Address (Facts Pg): 1881, Penderi Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Occupation: 1881, Dressmaker

Martha Rogers, born 1860 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

Martha Rogers:
Address (Facts Pg): 1881, Penderi Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Namesake: 1881, David Davies step daughter

David Davies, born 1861 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

David Davies:
Address (Facts Pg): 1881, Penderi Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Occupation: 1881, Engine  Driver stationary

John Davies, born 1863 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

Sarah Davies, born 1874 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

Morgan Davies, born 1878.

Lizzie Anne Davies, born 1880 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

Generation No. 2
John Davies was born 1863 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.  He married Elizabeth Thomas.  She was born 1862 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

John Davies:
Address (Facts Pg): 1901, Cwmfelin Row Berwick East Cann, Llanelly,  Carmarthenshire
Language spoken: 1901, Welsh
Occupation: 1891, engine Driver at Colliery

More About Elizabeth Thomas:
Language spoken: 1901, Welsh

Children of John Davies and Elizabeth Thomas are:

Mary Emily3 Davies, born 1888 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

Mary Emily Davies:
Language spoken: 1901, Welsh

Margaret ann Davies, born March 27, 1891 in Cwmfelyn, near Llanelly CARMARTHENSHIRE WALES; died around 1938 in cefn Coed Hospital Swansea.  She married Richard Davies about 1921 in Swansea he was born possibly in Swansea S WALES; died Bet. 1969 - 1972 in Swansea.

Notes for Margaret ann Davies:
margaret had a mental problem shortly before her death and her daughter visited her religiously at cefn coed mental hospital cockett swansea, she died just before a brain operation.

More About Margaret ann Davies:
Language spoken: 1901, Welsh

More About Richard Davies:
Occupation: coal merchant business in swansea

More About Richard Davies and Margaret Davies:
Death of one spouse: around 1938, Swansea, Aged around 47yrs

David Thomas Davies, born 1894 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.
Language spoken: 1901, Welsh

Brinley Juo Davies, born 1897 in Llanelly Carmarthenshire Wales.

Brinley Juo Davies:
Language spoken: 1901, Welsh

If you find any of this of interest with regards to your Davies ancestors please contact me
Regards Jen 

[Debby]

Hi Jen,

I had a look at all the info you put on but I am still not sure if we have the same people or not.

In my family David Davies (m to Elizabeth) died sometime before 1861.  I found her on the 1861 census but not David.  Then Elizabeth died sometime before 1871 as by 1871 the younger children were in the care of their aunt and uncles.

The David Davies you have on the 1881 census is this the father David or the son b1859?

None of the other children's names are familiar, but other than my direct line which is through James b1849 I have little details of what happened to the other boys other than rumour.

Debby

[Welsh Jen]

Thanks for your reply.

The 1881 detail is for both Father and Son. They are both listed at the same address. So going by your information if that is the case then it cannot be the same family as your died prior to 1861.

  It was a long shot, but worth trying!