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T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« on: Tuesday 15 July 08 14:03 BST (UK) »
Please can someone help me to find info on T C Arnold Ironmongers Clare St Ystalyfera. I know that T C Arnold went to the Muller Orphan Houses in bristol in 1907 and he brought back a boy called Francis J Snell he was 14 maybe to train as a assistant but I can't find out any more then that. As I need info on Francis as well after 1907

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Re: T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 15 July 08 14:28 BST (UK) »
Looks a good possible...

1901 - RG13 Piece 5064 Folio 76 Page 16
Wern Stores, Allt Y Grug and Ystalyfera, Llangnicke
Reg dist:  Pontardawe

Timothy C Arnold 53  ironmonger, employer (at home) Neath, Glamorgan
Mary C Arnold 58  wife Northumberland
Mary N 'A' Delany 25 dau, wid,  Ystalfera
Elizabeth Arnold 20 dau, Ystalyfera
Henry Arnold 18  son, ironmonger assistant, Ystalyfera

Looks like his full name is Timothy Canty Arnold

Births Dec 1847   ARNOLD  Timothy _anty    Neath  26 442 (checked original states 'Canty')

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Re: T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 15 July 08 15:28 BST (UK) »
Nothing on IGI or BVRI

Only Francis J Snell birth 1890 - 1895 all counties on Freebmd

Births Jun 1890   Snell  Francis John    Keynsham  5c 611

Births Dec 1892   Snell  Francis James     Falmouth  5c 159

Births Jun 1893   Snell  Francis John     Keynsham  5c 611 Possible?

Births Jun 1894   Snell  Francis James S     Liskeard  5c 55

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Re: T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 15 July 08 15:40 BST (UK) »
1901 - RG13 Piece 2399 Folio 170 Page 7
Millers Orphan Houses, Bristol

Francis Snell, age 8,  Inmate, b Bitton, Somerset

Many others to list

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/keynsham.html (covers Bitton)

Sorry cannot help after 1907, but a few pointers given

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Re: T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 15 July 08 19:01 BST (UK) »
Just to add, also in same place, Millers Orphan Houses, Bristol...ref above.  possible siblings for Francis

****Annie Matilda Snell, b 1888 Bitton Somerset

****William Snell, b 1897 Bitton Somerset

Births Sep 1888   SNELL  Annie Matilda   Keynsham  5c _15
poss. Births Sep 1896 Snell  William  Keynsham  5c 582

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?GLS,ST680690,5,Bitton

Marriages Jun 1884 
 
GUNNILL  Arthur    Hereford  6a 357   
Holcombe  Charles     Chipping S.  6a 357   
LEWIS  Fanny     Chipping S.  6a 357   
MANNERS  Ellen     Chipping Sodbury  6a 357   
Snell  John     Chipping Sodbury  6a 357


Possible family...

1891 - RG12 Piece 1941 Folio 143 Page 24
Tower Rank, Siston, Gloucestershire
Reg Dist: Keynsham

John Snell 35 head, coal miner, Wilt, Chippenham
Ellen Snell 34  wife, Glos, Bitton
Clara Snell 6  dau, Glos, Bitton
Annie Snell, 3, dau, Glos, Siston
Francis Snell 1  son, Glos, Siston (think this is the first birth reg for Francis Snell in prev post)

Death Sep 1891  Snell  Francis John  age 1  Keynsham  5c 363

Death Mar 1892  Snell  Ellen  age 34  Keynsham  5c 542 (but she would not have mothered your Francis)

Death Dec 1899   Snell  John  age 43  Keynsham  5c 437

Possible again....
Marriages Dec 1892  Possibly second marriage was with sister or relation...as above
 
Bennett  Alice    Keynsham  5c 1264   
GOLDING  Thomas     Keynsham  5c 1264   
Manners  Ann     Keynsham  5c 1264   
SNELL  John     Keynsham  5c 1264

Another poss. Deaths Jun 1898  Snell  Annie  29  Keynsham  5c 371 (or possibly Annie M king..see next post)

Above (if correct) would have mothered Francis 1893 & William 1896, but this is assumption from census evidence, to confirm certs are needed.

Hope this helps

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Re: T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 15 July 08 19:28 BST (UK) »
1901 - RG13 Piece 2346 Folio 56 Page 9
Bitton
   
Thomas King 34
Annie M King 33 
Thomas W King 13 
Gilbert King 10
Aaron King 8
Alfred King 1 
Clara Snell 16 Lodger, Oldland Common Bitton, Gloucestershire

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Re: T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 15 July 08 20:40 BST (UK) »
 :)  Hello Cas and Steve, sorry I havn`t got any information on FRANCIS J SNELL but, TIMOTHY CANTY ARNOLD is in  my family tree if I can help with him, MARG,,,

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Re: T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 15 July 08 22:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much Cas, What a lot of info looks like you are spot on.

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Summerill. Gloucestershire,Glamorgan
May. Gloucestershire,Glamorgan
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Re: T C Arnold Ystalyfera
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 16 July 08 18:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Steve hope you don't mind my curiosity, but wondering your relationship to Francis Snell b 1893

Have checked 1891 for the family that Clara is with 1901, and it is not the one listed as possible marriage to John Snell 1892.  Mother...A M King is there, so it looks like both parents died previous to 1901 that is why children are in orphanage. 

Possibly T C Arnold, had his family grow up, move away, and he wanted to give a somebody a home, cannot see a family connection.

Any background info to work on, other than posted?

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Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland