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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #18 on: Monday 18 August 08 23:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Jeannie. Thank you ever so much for the information on Martha Jones, I have Thomas Bostock and her marriage as 30/4/1815. Witnesses James Davies & Thomas Barber  at Hawarden. But no info on Father's names or ages. I would be intersted in any further Jones's or Bostock's you might find. But there is no hurry, Pam

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 02:53 BST (UK) »
This date fits in with the birth of Ann Higginson , farmer with Richard Higginson age 20 on the 1841 census........Oswestry is not far away, perhaps she followed her daughter after she was widowed ?


Hi Jeannie, I don't think so, in 1841 Wales census she and Richard Higginson are on  Hopes Place farm alone first, and a (John?) Jones is there (age 14) as farm help, I think.  In 1851 she is there and the Jones'es are there all together.. But the Jones seem to have come from elsewhere.

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 12:34 BST (UK) »
Pam........

Thomas Jones and Catherine Williams were married 10th February 1799
Thomas gave his abode as Mancot, and Cath gave hers as Aston.

Catherine Williams was baptised 17th October 1773

Apart from Martha and Samuel, Their only other child was Elizabeth.
Baptised 13th January 1802 , living at Saltney.

William Bostock married Mary Beavan 9th April 1792.

John/16th September 1792
William / 23rd February 1794
THOMAS / 2nd July 1796
Samuel / 19th August 1798           (210 years ago today )
Edward / 7th December 1800.....buried 10th December

William Bostock married Ellinor Hewitt 29th June 1767

John / 2nd October 1768 / abode Bretton
WILLIAM / 4th march 1770 / abode Ewloe
Jane / 2oth October 1771 / abode Ewloe

Ellinor Bostock was buried 25th October 1771

I am sure I can help with other info, so just contact me, when you are ready.

Kind Regards

Jeannie
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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 13:17 BST (UK) »
Paula.......

You are right . Ann always states born Eccleston, as does her daughter Elizabeth........

I have tried everything I know to find out about Elizabeth's birth, with no joy I am afraid........

Try this site

www.cheshire.gov.uk

They may be able to look up Elizabeths birth records, for a small charge. It may be worth it to you, to knock down your brick wall.......

I am also wondering who Joseph and John Higginson, the boys who were named as fathers to the illigitemate children were ? They certainly were not born in the area, and did not marry there either.

If I come across anything else, I will contact you

Kind regards

Jeannie
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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 21 August 08 05:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Jeannie. 
Thank you ever so much on the information on Martha Bostock nee Jones. I have had a look on the 1841 census and there is a Thomas Jones born 1781 wife Catherine 1781. Children Thomas 1811. Hannah 1816. Eliza 1821. and William 1821. They are at Shepherd's house. Saltney. The dates differ on the 1851 there is no Thomas snr. and Catherine is 1770. which is closer to the baptism date of Catherine Williams. daughter Hannah is listed as 1814. and there is a Thomas Sharples b1844 Chester with them he is listed as visitor.

On the 1861 & 1871 Hannah is the wife of Abraham Sharples 1808 of Preston. Lancashire. and they have children Abraham1842. Hannah 1838. Sarah 1840. and Thomas 1844. They are at Shepherd's Tce. Saltney.  Now Thomas Sharples 1844. son of Hannah Jones actually married Ellen Bostock. daughter of Thomas & Martha Bostock. i was wondering if you could possibly check the births of the children of the above Thomas & Catherine Jones. Especially Hannah 1814/16.  as there could be some skeletons in the closet.  I hope you don't mind me asking.  Pam

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 21 August 08 12:54 BST (UK) »
Pam.......

The reason I missed the following births, is because , mum was CATH Williams, on the baptisms of Martha , Samuel and Elizabeth......She is CATHERINE on these ::)

Mary Jones , daughter of Thomas Jones , farmer, and Catherine Williams.
Baptised September 29th 1805. Abode, Saltney.

Catherine Jones , daughter of Thomas Jones, farmer and Catherine Williams.
Baptised September 27th 1807. Abode , Saltney.

Thomas Jones , son of Thomas Jones , farmer and Catherine Williams.
Born September 7th 1809, baptised October 1st 1809. Abode Saltney

Sarah Jones , daughter of Thomas Jones , farmer and Catherine Williams
Born October 17th 1811, baptised November 20th 1811. Abode Saltney

HANNAH JONES , daughter of Thomas Jones, farmer and Catherine Williams.
Born October 21st 1813, baptised December 3rd 1813. Abode Saltney

William Jones , son of Thomas Jones , farmer and Catherine Williams.
Born March 5th 1816, baptised April 19th 1816. Abode Saltney.

I cannot find a Eliza Jones, with the same parentage. Perhaps she was a niece?..........

Re ages in 1841. For some stupid reason, ages of any one of over 15 years old was rounded up or down by +/- 5 years and I have found some times more.

People could not read and write, did not celebrate birthdays, and did not read newspapers. Apart from Christmas and Easter. every day was the same, and no way to mark the passage of time

Of course I do not mind you asking, It makes buying the Parish Registers worth while, and keeps my brain cells working......and you have found a new connection with Paula.....Super !! I am going to add to my library , this week , possibly marriages and burials 1821-1830.

In the meanwhile, hope this helps.

Regards

Jeannie
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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 21 August 08 16:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Jeannie,
 There is a Richard Higginson b 1811 in Hanmer, Flintshire with parents John and Mary.  Is  Hanmer close by?
 I think the Ann-Richard pair you found in Owestry could indeed be my Richard Higginson brn. 1819 's parents, but ... is there also a birth record for Richard Higginson b. 1819?

Well I have looked at every Higginson born in Cheshire, and find many Samuels, but not a single Richard.
The only 1819 Richard Higginson on familysearch.org is one born in Prees, Shropshire, but I fear this is someone else.  :(

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 21 August 08 22:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Jeannie.
Thanks for the last Info.You are a Gem!!  It has confirmed my suspicion We now have a Cousin marrying a Cousin, I can now add the rest of the Jones's to my tree, I made some notes yesterday but didn't want to do anything until I knew they were connected. Now it will be more hunting for the Jones's.  Thanks again. Pam

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #26 on: Friday 22 August 08 10:59 BST (UK) »
My Pleasure Girls.......

Please don't hesitate to ask, if I can help further.

I have sent for some more Parish Records, which just may answer some more of your questions. They may take a week to arrive, as it is a holiday over this week-end.....

Best wishes

JeannieR

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