Roberts family

[mangomania]

Hi Amy

I can't find any others than the 61 entry in my first post, I'm afraid.

The 1901 for Joseph & Jane is

Fern Lea, Ashton cum Aughton, Yorkshire

Joseph Hewitt Head 50 Pit top man    b. Buckley
Susannah       wife   41                           Worcs, Dudley
James H Downs son 17 Coal Miner                      "
Thomas              son 16    "                                 "
John                   son 12 Schoolboy         Derbys, Waleswood
Beatrice Hewitt  dau 13                          Buckley
Florie                 dau  6                           Derbys, Staveley
Jane                  dau  10                          Buckley
Sarah Peace     dau M 27                          "
Emma Downs    dau   9                          Yorks, Swallownest

Ref RG13/4390  folio 49 page 33

Cheers
Ian

[mangomania]

I've had a look at Florie's birth in Staveley, which is in the Chesterfield district.

There's two possibilities on FreeBMD, both Sept Qtr 1894, Chesterfield.  One is just Florence, the other Florence Elizabeth.

By coincidence? there is a death for Jane Hewitt in the Chesterfield district, in Dec qtr 1896 aged 44.

Hope thats of help/interest.

Ian

[Amy_B]

Thanks again Ian,

Okay if I have this right it is a very interesting find.  Looking at the 1901 census that you have added, you will notice children in the family that have have the surname Downs/Downes (found both forms of spelling around).  I have found a marriage for Joseph Hewitt and Susannah Downes in 1898 in Rotherham, Yorks.  This is where it gets interesting Susannah gives her location on birth as Dudley, Worchestershire, which would be about 1860.

Jane Hewitt's future Husband is Herbert Daniel Shaw born 1892, Netherton, Dudley His father Moses Shaw had a sister Susannah Shaw born 1859, Dudley Worchestershire who get this married a Jeremiah Downs in 1879 in Dudley.  Looking at freeBDM the only death I have for Jeremiah Downes that is possible is in Rotherham, Yorks in 1876.

Now this makes perfect sense to me Herbert Daniel Shaw emmigrated to New Zealand in 1905 and later went on to serve with the New Zealand Army during WW1, where he meet and married his wife Jane Hewitt in 1919.  So that means he had no where to go on his leave as home was too far from his location, however an Aunty still in England wouldn't, he fell in love with his Aunties Step Daughter.

Thank you so much for helping with this link as I couldn't find a death for Susannah, makes sense if when she died she was no longer a Downes.

1881 census shows the couple
 Jermiah DOWNS      Head      M      Male      22      Netherton, Worcester, England      Coal Miner      
 Susannah DOWNS      Wife      M      Female      22      Netherton, Worcester, England      Nail Maker      
 William DOWNS      Son            Male      1      Netherton, Worcester, England            
At this stage they were still living in Dudley, Worcester.

Can you look them up on the 1891 census so we can confirm the children, and prehaps check the 1901 census to make sure that Jeremaih has died by that stage.

Amy

[mangomania]

Hi Amy

Glad to hear of it all tying in.  Looked at the FreeBMD record for Jeremiah - the Chesterfield district covers Ashton cum Aughton, so its very likely the right entry.  Here's 91

Aston, Yorks

Jeremiah Downs  H  M  31 Coal Miner   b. Worcs
Susanna              W M  31                           "
Willie                   S       11                           "
James                 S         7                           "
Thomas              S         6                            "
John                    S       2                            Yorks
Thomas          lodger  M 29  Coal Miner      Leics
Elizabeth            "      M 28                           "

Ref - RG12/3844 f77 p44

Cheers
Ian