I desperatley want to find someone - but how!!!?? new to all of this...

[ryan]

Does that mean that Joseph Alfred Weaver and Elizabeth Denton are Alfred Denton Weaver's parents? It was often common place to give a child their mother's maiden name for example, as it has occurred in my family: Sarah Ann Elsby Fereday.

That is right, I'm not confused am I??

I thought that I should also add that a reason for a late marriage may simply be that a couple would have to save-up before they could afford it.

Ryan.

[rachie77]

I'm not realy sure what is going on here, unless there are two Elizabeths?? Am very confused now!! 

[janan]

I've got several examples of maiden names used as middle names in my family, it seemed to be a common West Country practice, looks like it happened elsewhere as well. Regards Jan

[Boongie Pam]

You need to get the marriage cert to confirm a few things I think.  

I have a scenario where a child is listed as illegitimate but both the father and mother sign as informants.  

This couple marry a year later.  

I could never work out why this order of events happened until I found the death of the groom's first wife 1 month before his second marriage.

He had obviously seperated and was "with" his future second wife - having children while still married to the first wife.  He obviously didn't want to be a bigamist so waited.

Pam
 

[janan]

Yes Rachel you do have two Elizabeth's. Joseph appears to have married Elizabeth Denton and his father William looks like he married Elizabeth Hancocks. Not surprised you're confused as you've acquired so much info in so short a time Regards Jan

[rachie77]

silly me - yes of course their is two elizabeths.... one is my great grandma and the other is my great great grandma... do you think it is safe to assume that elizabeth hancocks is the mother??

I also believe that Herbert Denton Weaver had a daughter by someone else too - not sure if through marriage or not and her name was Alice or Iris Weaver-died circa 2003

[lizdb]

In 1881 the family are at 'Coalpit Bank' Wombridge:
William Weaver 37 brn Wombridge
Elizabeth Weaver 35 wife
William Hancocks ill son 18
Joseph Hancocks ill son 14
John weaver son 9
Mary jane Weaver dtr 6
James Weaver son 4
matilda Weaver dtr 6mths
Susan Shenston Servant

so IF this is your Joseph Wheeler he didnt change his name till after 1881.

Before it gets even more confusing - remember the golden rule of Family History is NEVER to assume anything. Someone may appear to be the right one, but get as much evidence as you can before you going on to the next stage.
so, go back to the definite certificate you have, and work back, getting each birth/ marriage cert as you go, and confirming details with censuses etc.
Takes time, patience and sadly money. But no Family tree can be reliably put together with a few clicks of a mouse.
Sorry - I sound a real damp squib. Just put it down to years of learning the hard way!!!
All the best!!!

[rachie77]

If this is the right person he changed his name before his wedding in 1888?

maybe this was the reason he changed his name?

a, getting very confused and also carried away now!! grin!

[janan]

You now really need to get hold of some more certificates to confirm things Rachel . Suggest you go to 1837.online.com to trace Alfred Denton Weavers birth certificate (if it is not on FreeBMD) then work backwards. Although having said that think I'd want to go for Joseph's as well!  Jan