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Germany: KNELLER
« on: Friday 30 January 09 18:21 GMT (UK) »
hi all, i am new here and not sure if this is the right place but i feel like i am hitting a brick wall slightly.

i've searched all the sites mentioned and not come up with anything :(

I am searching for information about my gr gr grandfather Otto Kneller he was born on the 11th July 1870
in
Kuenzelsau, Stuttgart, Germany.

i am mainly interested in researching his family before he came to England in 1885-as i know very little about his parents and his supposed 16+ siblings :o i know his father was a brewer.

He got Interned during ww1 and got sent back to Germany leaving my gr great nan with 6 kids :( i know he lived until 1969(99 years old) but not sure where he died, i know he had A child with a women in Germany his son was called Hermann Rheinholt(took his mothers surname). And he had 2 children Renate and Roland...though there could be more.

Anyone with any ideas and any information please contact me :)
thanks so very much
Clare.
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 January 09 18:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Clare,

Welcome to RootsChat :)

THere is not many german records on the net, but as you have the great advantage, of knowing where in Germany, it means you can write to to the Registry Office (Standesamt) in Germany and ask for a copy of his birth certificate.

Standesamt
Stuttgarter Straße 7
74653 Kuenzelsau
Germany

Do you have the family details on the 1891 and 1901 censuses ?

Bob
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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 January 09 18:35 GMT (UK) »
on ancestry.de (Germany) there is an "Auswanderungsakten" (Emigration record) for Otto Kneller from Künzelsau (or Kuenzelsau
http://search.ancestry.de/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gsfn=Ernst&gsln=Kneller&gss=seo&ghc=20&sbo=2&gst=40

Born 11th July 1870 in  Kuenzelsau, and emigrated to England in1885.
I don't have a subscription, so I can't see any more details.

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 January 09 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Still "fishing" in the net :) :

I've found a brewery (Brauerei)
11a Brauerei zum Erbgroßherzog,  Nicolaus Kneller 1845-1876
http://www.klausehm.de/B.html

with a link to a page which, unfortunately doesn't tell you very much, other than that it was in in Baden-Baden.  B-B is near Württemberg.
http://www.klausehm.de/Pag18121.html
 my german history is shaky there, but Baden was combined with Wurttemberg at some time to give the present-day state of Baden-Württemberg, where Künzelsau is.
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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 January 09 19:21 GMT (UK) »
wow Bob thank you so much for you help :) i'll look at those sights now :)

He isn't on the 1891 or 1901 census...i know he married a Laura Mallett in barrow in furness but he isn't on any census with her and i've searched for her and she's back down as laura Mallett and unmarried of the 1901 census?! ??? He is on the 1911 census and is 'married' (though there are no divorce papers or marriage register for them) to my gr gr nan Eliza Jones living in Swindon, Wilts. with their children...

I know they then moved back to Wolverhampton and she remarried twice more(thus making her married 4 times as she was married to a Maros Smith before Otto).

And then he was interned and sent back to Germany :(

it's very confusing... he was a pork butcher and owned several properties and houses.

i've found an article on the net linking him with textiles and Berlin-with the dates that would tie in with his arrival in germany.

Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 January 09 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Clare,

funny you should say textiles !

I've just found an "online newspaper " report about a KNELLER family in Künzelsau, who are one of the oldest families there (1500's).
(maybe this is the same one you saw ?)

"Born in Künzelsau, Otto Kneller opened a textile factory in Berlin, before moving back to Künzelsau" etc
http://www.stimme.de/hohenlohe/nachrichten/kuenzelsau/sonstige;art1912,1428097

(can you read german ?)
It might be worth asking the paper to put you in touch with the people mentioned.
Or if you can't speak german, I could do it for you.

Bob
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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #6 on: Friday 30 January 09 19:52 GMT (UK) »
hiya Bob that is the article i found :) and the names link in as a relative told me he met a lady in Germany on his return and had a son Hermann Rhineholt not kneller...which i thought was strange...and the name Renate is linked as well...apparently she has died tho? i am not sure how old this article is?

I do not speak/read German but to be honest the further i research my tree the more i feel i should learn the language of my ancestors.

I would love you to be able to contact the newspaper for me, this would be very helpful and very much appreciated :)

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me :)
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 January 09 19:54 GMT (UK) »
I'll write to them, sometime in the next few days ......


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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 31 January 09 10:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Clare,

Welcome to RootsChat :)

THere is not many german records on the net, but as you have the great advantage, of knowing where in Germany, it means you can write to to the Registry Office (Standesamt) in Germany and ask for a copy of his birth certificate.

Standesamt
Stuttgarter Straße 7
74653 Kuenzelsau
Germany

Do you have the family details on the 1891 and 1901 censuses ?

Bob


Hiya again Bob, sorry to be a nuisance but i am composing a letter to send on monday and wondered whether/what fee was involved for a copy of the birth certificate? Any idea?
thanks again Clare.
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)