Cecil Wray, curate of St Nicholas, Liverpool.

[williamscdr]

St Nicholas was here:

St Nicholas, Hawke St. Copperas Hill, Liverpool Central, L3 1AA
St Nicholas is located at OS Grid Reference - SJ 352903
Est 1813 - church built 1815 (RC Pro Cathedral), demolished 1872
Source: Liverpool Record Office

And was indeed a Roman Catholic church.  Would it have been possible that Cecil Wray was Curate in a CofE church and then a RC church.  I don't know but think it unlikely.

[williamscdr]

Confusingly, there is also a RC Chruch: Our Lady and St Nicholas with St Anne, Chapel Street (1659 - 1961):

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-Central/stnicholas/index.html

Note the dates which should note be confused with:

St Nicholas, Hawke St. Copperas Hill, Liverpool Central, L3 1AA
St Nicholas is located at OS Grid Reference - SJ 352903
Est 1813 - church built 1815 (RC Pro Cathedral), demolished 1872

[williamscdr]

So the bottom line answer to your questions appear to be:

Cecil Wray was a Curate in St Peters CofE in Church St 1833-35.

As a CofE Curate I would have thought it unlikely that he would have worked in a RC Church (but I may be wrong).

St Nicholas in Hawke St was RC demolished 1872.

Our Lady and St Nicholas with St Anne is also RC and is in Chapel Street, 1659 - 1961

Hopefully that helps to clarify the picture a little

David

[williamscdr]

I don't think this is your man, but perhaps worthy of note

Cecil Wray Dalton Curate 1831 Dinsdale:

http://eagle.cch.kcl.ac.uk:8080/cce/bishops/DisplayBishop.jsp?ordTenID=203

[williamscdr]

But dear old Cecil did become a Priest:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Vauxhall/stmartin/baptisms_1870-1876.html

At the Church of St Martin in the Fields in the District of Vauxall, Liverpool 1870

Which was Church of England - again discounting the supposition that he may have presided at a RC church.

and he also published:

Cecil WRAY (M: 1805 Jan 4 - 1878 Nov 12)
   Four Years Of Pastoral Work [b|1854]
   Revealtion A Reality [n|1857

http://www.authorandbookinfo.com/ngcoba/wr.htm

[Doddie]

Hi David, thank you for all your efforts. Below are the details for my ancestors marriage from Lancashire opc website. When it says 'St Nicholas, Liverpool' I think this refers to the church in Hawke Street which was R.C. If it was the other church I presume it would have referred to it by it's full title - Our Lady and St Nicholas with St Anne..... in order to provide clarification. If the curate and assist. curate highlighted below served at St. Nicholas (Hawke St) they must have presumabley have been R.C. clergymen. I'm pretty sure C. Wray is Cecil Wray. When my ancestors were being married the assistant curate must have been deputising.



Marriage: 8 Jul 1833 St. Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard Dickinson - Cordwainer of Liverpool
Ann Gerrard - Spinster of Liverpool
    Married by Banns by: John Robinson Asst. Curate
    Register: Marriages 1833, Page 10, Entry 356
    Source: LDS Film 1068891

Marriage: 23 Oct 1833 St. Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard Gregory - Stonemason of Liverpool
Ann Gerrad - Widow of Liverpool
    Married by Banns by: C. Wray Curate
    Register: Marriages 1833, Page 15, Entry 571
    Source: LDS Film 1068891

Doddie

[mosiefish]

Hi,

If you type the LDS film number in to the Library Catalogue on family search  you will see it refers to the Bishops transcripts for St Nicholas Church , Liverpool - CHURCH OF ENGLAND.

Regards,
Mo

[Suki 1]

I am transcribing for LAN OPC and doing both St Peters & St Martin in the field. On the ones I'm doing at the moment - St Martins Marriages 1837-1842 Cecil Wray is an Assistant Minister. In the early 1830's he's Cecil Wray M A curate at St Peters and at St Martins

[mosiefish]

Hi,

I  forgot to mention that ALL marriages before 1837 apart from Quakers and Jews had to take take place in a CHURCH OF ENGLAND parish Church otherwise it was not legally recognized (Hardwicks Marriage Act 1754).  You may therefore find two marriages for the same couple -  One in the Parish Church (C of E) and then in a RC Church.  Our Lady St Nicholas and St. Ann is nearly always referred to as just St. Nicholas and definitely Church of England.   Another pointer is that RC records on the IGI are as rare as hen`s teeth!  The LDS were not allowed access to most of the records.

Suki,  keep up the good work it is very much appreciated.   I do Freecen!

Mo