REED, HUNT, BROOKS, DEACON

[nightnurse51]

Hi again
This family is nearly as good as the Taylor/smith and Coopers!!
I am now wondering if Mary Ann Reed was born under the blanket and took her mothers surname and to save face put any name on her marriage certificate.
Surprisingly enough the name Albert runs through this family like a river.
The address   on their marriage cert is 14 Baildon Street.
Regards
Carol

[KSD]

On the marriage certificate for Rose Baker/Stephen Welling, Rose's father is given as Aaron Baker but one of the witnesses is Aaron Reed.

I believe Ellen Reed married an Aaron Baker in 1872 but she had some children before who seem to have been named Reed but in the census appear as Baker.

I believe the son Aaron sometimes calls himself Baker and sometimes Reed. 

Do you have anymore information about the Bakers.  I have been years trying to trace Phoebe Baker who appears to have been registered as Phoebe Reed.

[nightnurse51]

Have no idea about the Bakers at all but with info I have now Ill look it all up.
BUt I have a Moses Welling in my tree born c 1841 who married into the well known Cooper Family. Mazally Cooper.
THe following families all married into one another at some stage or another which was common for Gypsies or travelling families.
Mills, Cooper, Taylor, Penfold, Gardner, HUnt.and of course Smith
Some of The Taylor family in my tree derived from mathias Cooper of Queen  Victoria Fame, and Mazally Cooper derives from the Norwood Coopers. She was one of the Daughters of Robert Cooper and Sylvia Williams.
Robert Cooper being the son of Samuel Cooper 1794 -1856 (King of the Gypsies)  and Flora.
Robert and Matthias were either cousins or Uncle and nephew. Still figuring that one out!.
The Bakers are a new family to me, but it would explain alot as I cant find any reeds at all.
Could you give me some more of  the details of your marriage cert like who was Stephen Welling's father? where the marriage took place and who was the other witness. Year would be helpful. Was it Tenterden?
Witnessess can determine a certain family connection.
What is Phoebe to you? You say you have been trying to trace her for years. In which way forwards or backwards?
My Hunt  and Reed families ended up in Deptford area although they lived in surrounding areas.
Carol

[KSD]

The person I am interested in is David Dunn.  He was living with the Wellings in Greenwich at time of 1901 census.  He could never trace his birth.  Bridget and Dennis Dunn are listed as his siblings.

I believe Phoebe Baker/Reed was his mother and Rose Welling (nee Baker/Reed) his aunt.  I could be wrong. 

Rosina Baker married Stephen Willing (Welling) om Deptford 1885.  Fathers William Willing and Aaron Baker.  Witnesses Aaron Reed and Henrietta Knight.

Stephen had been married before.

David Dunn married Edith Loveridge in 1910.  Dennis Dunn married Hilda Smith in 1920 (witnesses Sarah Bartlett and William Mannering).  Bridget Dunn married William Mannering in 1915 but she refers to her maiden name as Read. (Witnesses Edward and Sarah Bartlett.)

1871 census has an Aaron Read in Stowting and then a Hernhen Baker in the 1881 census. Rose and Phoebe are also mentioned.  Mother is Eleanor Baker.  Father Aaron/John Baker. 

There are births for Phoebe and Rosina Reed in Tenterden, Kent.  There is a marriage for Ellen Read to Aaron Baker in 1872 in Tenterden. 

Albert Baker was born in 1883 and married 1905.  Witnesses Thomas Edward Finch and Charlotte Grange-I think Charlotte is Charlotte Reed, sister to Phoebe and Rose. 

I don't know if any of this helps.

 

[nightnurse51]

Hi
I found your tree on Ancestry and still studying it.
The Loveridge family if they are the same are a well known gypsy or travelling family.A lot of them ended up in Croydon.
Most of the families involved were flower hawkers, tin man or grinders and of course the common or garden labourers.
I found an Alfred Baker with an Ada and Mary Ann and a William on the 1891 census in High street Holborn and he worked in Convent garden.
I found a marriage cert of which I sent for, for a Aaron Reed and an Annie Brooks
they married in
Could David have been born under his mothers surname?
I noticed he was born in Nottinghill! LOL so were the Taylors! nightmare, the chances ae he may never have been registered. BUT they do like to christen their children.
Dont bother with family search.org or the aka the mormon site they concentrate on old parish records.

[nightnurse51]

Hi again
I did find a birth for an Aaron Reed in West Ashford kent in 1866 which co insided with the age of the marriage cert to Annie Brooks.
I was going to send for it but I wanted to find the birth cert of mary Ann Reed first to make that connection.
The Aaron you found from Hothfield would come under the registration district of West Ashford, so its looking promising.
Regards Carol

[cathayb]

i dont know if it will help or not.but there were a greaty many reeds around chissec(i cant spell i am afraid)the reeds and the hearns all lived in the area of nottinghill late 1800s and early 1900s.the hearns often used the surname taylor!!!!!!alot of the reeds worked for fullers brewery and a lot a vegatable stalls round the markets.mary horner just told me this.shes not well at the moment but will try and help further soon.the hunts by the way very often went under the name huntley and there were also quite a few bartletts in the area.

[nightnurse51]

Hi Cathay
Thats interesting. Nottinghill rears its head again.
Albert hunt "married" isabel Smith/Taylor daughter of Atherlia Taylor and Sam Smith.
They ended up in Acton.
They were all known as vegetable and flower hawkers.
The hunts I have manged to track down its the Reeds that are causing me the headache.
But we are folllowing a lead on the Baker name.
The biggest problem is Mary Ann Reed possibly Baker.
I have her marriage cert and death cert but struggling for her birth cert.
Found a Aaron baker with his wife Ada and children Mary Ann and William on the 1881 census.
mary Anns   was 4 yrs old so making her birth year 1886/1887 which co incides with her marriage cert in 1905.
Problem we have is we dont know where she was born and where she was registered.
this is The first time I have heard the name Huntley as well.
Carol x

[nightnurse51]

Correction sorry not the 1881 census but the 1891 census!