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1841 census help please - Love
« on: Wednesday 03 June 09 00:46 BST (UK) »
My relative (Philip Lynch) married Rebecca Love in 1863 in Penninghame, Wigtown.

Rebecca was born abt 1834 in Muchrom, Wigtownshire and I have located a Rebecca Love from both the 1851 and 1861 census - the 1861 looks more likely. However I can not locate her on the 1841 census when she would have been around 10 yrs old and obviously with her parents.

Any assistance that can show me what I am missing on searching the 1841 census would be appreciated

Owen and Margaret Lynch  Kirkcudbright, Scotland 1841
Owen Lynch born Caven Ireland 1811
Margaret Stewart born Meath Ireland 1809
Edward Lynch arrived Australia in 1856 from Scotland
Patrick Joseph Ryan Gallway Ireland 1856
Mary Agnes Brady County Sligo Ireland 1859
William Wales Cockermouth, Cumbria England 1800
Eliza Hynes Ireland 1811
George Henry Sykes England 1857

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Re: 1841 census help please - Love
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 01:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Millstream

Nothing jumping out on the 1841 census for her. It would probably help you if you had her parents' names from her 1863 marriage cert.

Monica  :)
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Re: 1841 census help please - Love
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 01:38 BST (UK) »
Millstream,
I couldn't see Rebecca either, though there is a Love family in Muchrom. You should do as Monica suggests and get the marriage cert. You can get some free Scotland's People credits by registering here:

http://www.ancestralscotland.com/

Let us know how you get on.

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Re: 1841 census help please - Love
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 04:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Millstream

Nothing jumping out on the 1841 census for her. It would probably help you if you had her parents' names from her 1863 marriage cert.

Monica  :)

Thanks Monica. In a way I am glad you could not find anything either as I had hit a wall there as all roads/clues were leading to "born abt 1834 in Muchrom, Wigtownshire" and from that I was assuming they should be in the 1841 census.

I will see if I can locate the marriage details from 1863.

Thanks for your assistance and direction

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Owen and Margaret Lynch  Kirkcudbright, Scotland 1841
Owen Lynch born Caven Ireland 1811
Margaret Stewart born Meath Ireland 1809
Edward Lynch arrived Australia in 1856 from Scotland
Patrick Joseph Ryan Gallway Ireland 1856
Mary Agnes Brady County Sligo Ireland 1859
William Wales Cockermouth, Cumbria England 1800
Eliza Hynes Ireland 1811
George Henry Sykes England 1857

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Re: 1841 census help please - Love
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 04:06 BST (UK) »
Millstream,
I couldn't see Rebecca either, though there is a Love family in Muchrom. You should do as Monica suggests and get the marriage cert. You can get some free Scotland's People credits by registering here:

http://www.ancestralscotland.com/

Let us know how you get on.

Thanks Ruskie, I will try the database at Scotland's People.

Regards
Owen and Margaret Lynch  Kirkcudbright, Scotland 1841
Owen Lynch born Caven Ireland 1811
Margaret Stewart born Meath Ireland 1809
Edward Lynch arrived Australia in 1856 from Scotland
Patrick Joseph Ryan Gallway Ireland 1856
Mary Agnes Brady County Sligo Ireland 1859
William Wales Cockermouth, Cumbria England 1800
Eliza Hynes Ireland 1811
George Henry Sykes England 1857

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Re: 1841 census help please - Love
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 12:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Millstream

I wouldn't at the moment discount that 1851 entry that you have found for Rebecca for 1851 with a slighly earlier birth year of 1830, it may well be that she got younger over the years  ::)

Monica
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Re: 1841 census help please - Love
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 12:54 BST (UK) »
Interesting snippet here which opens up some possibilities for Rebecca:


Maggie Love

On M/C:Domestic servant living at Craiglaw Arms,Kirkcowan.She was illegitimate.She gave her place of birth as Mochrum.Gave he mothers name as Margaret Love.She may have had an illegitimate son Hugh born 1876/7 Mochrum.
    1881 Census gave her place of birth as Mochrum.
    1891 Census gave her place of birth as Portpatrick.
    Cause of death tuberculosis.
On her death certificate her husband James McKerlie gives her parents as David Love(farmer,deceased) and Rebecca Love m.s not known(not given as deceased).
A Margaret Love was born illegitimate 22Jun1856 Stoneykirk.Mother Rebecca Love.Father not given.
There are two marriages for Rebecca Love to Philip Lynch 14Apr1863 Penninghame and to James Fitzsimons 31Oct1865 Mochrum.From the 1881 Census the Rebecca who married Philip Lynch was born in Mochrum 1834/5.In 1881 she was living in Penninghame.Cannot find the Rebecca who married James Fitzsimons.
I think that when Rebecca was married she gave her daughter Maggie to a relative Margaret Love to raise.There was a Margaret Love living in Mochrum in 1863.When Maggie married in 1880 she had lived in Mochrum for most of he days and had no memory of Stoneykirk.She mistoke Margaret Love for her mother.


www.btinternet.com/~fraser.hamilton2/hren03.htm

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Re: 1841 census help please - Love
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 13:41 BST (UK) »
This looks to be the above Maggie in 1861:

John Love 60, labourer, b. Ireland
Jane Love 60, b. Ireland
Hugh Love 26, b. Ireland
Elisabeth Love 13, b. Mochrum
Mary Love 7, granddaughter, b. Kirkinner
Margaret Love 5, granddaughter, b. Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire

Address: Mochrum

I found the names of Philip and Rebecca's children intersting as they don't seem to have used the names of Philip's parents for their early born children but maybe some clues on Rebecca's parents' names - all births in Penninghame:

1. JOHN LYNCH  07 JUL 1863
2. JOHN LYNCH  21 AUG 1865
3. ELISABETH LYNCH 18 MAY 1868
4. JAMES LYNCH 01 APR 1870
5. JANE LYNCH 03 FEB 1872

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Re: 1841 census help please - Love
« Reply #8 on: Friday 05 June 09 12:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your replies. We are just heading off for the long weekend - Queens birthday holiday in Australia - and I will get my mind back around the 'Love family' when we return on Tuesday

Regards
Owen and Margaret Lynch  Kirkcudbright, Scotland 1841
Owen Lynch born Caven Ireland 1811
Margaret Stewart born Meath Ireland 1809
Edward Lynch arrived Australia in 1856 from Scotland
Patrick Joseph Ryan Gallway Ireland 1856
Mary Agnes Brady County Sligo Ireland 1859
William Wales Cockermouth, Cumbria England 1800
Eliza Hynes Ireland 1811
George Henry Sykes England 1857

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