Sans Souci Lodge Sans Souci Park Belfast

[bradbrend]

Ga' day from Australia,
To My wife's surprise she has just discovered her father was born 1901 in Sans Souci Lodge, Sans Souci Park Belfast and that his father (her Grandfather) was a Taylor in Hillman St Belfast. What a surprise. She only ever new them as farmers who worked the land in Ballymena where she was born and raised. We would be pleased if anyone could give us any information on Sans Souci Lodge. We presume it was a boarding house, if so, we wonder why he would board if he was married with a child and had a business. Thanks

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   San Souci Park is described as a leafy, tree-lined avenue so it is possible that the family may have named their home as San Souci Lodge. I cannot find any Taylors there in the 1911 census but a Taylor couple are living in Hillman Street with a young family.

Regards

[aghadowey]

Is Taylor the surname or is father's occupation tailor? On the certificate is the birth address listed as well as the residence of the father? Could have been a private nursing home.

[your pete]

Hi Bradbrend,

I have had a look at old survey maps for the area.

Sans Souci Park is off the Malone Road in the south of the city.  It appears from maps covering 1851-1883 that there was a single house with grounds and a gate lodge where Sans Souci Park now is. The house is named "Sans Souci".  I reckon that the gate lodge to the house is the "Lodge" you refer to. In maps covering 1883-1920 the Gate lodge is there but the main house has gone and the road named Sans Souci Park is now formed with some houses built/developed. In the maps covering 1920-1952 the gate lodge has gone. The site of it is now No. 68 Malone Road (including the side gardens) which is a large semi-detached house on the corner of Malone Road and Sans Souci Park.

This street directory site may be some help.  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/

Sans Souci is a French term meaning "without care", in other words, "no worries".

Hopefull there should be a photo of 66-68 Malone Road attached - found on Google images - 68 is the right side of the house.

[DixieDee]

Hi.
Sans Souci Lodge was more than likely the gate lodge to Sans Souci House. Your relative may have worked for the owners of the Big House, perhaps as a gardener. When I was a kid there were still a number of gate lodges still about the Malone Road. Only one I can think of that's still standing is across the road from Sans Souci, on the left corner of Derryvolgie Ave.
Holyrood House next to Sans Souci also had a lodge, but I think it's long gone since Queen's University built their Halls of Residence there.
Two Taylor families in Hillman St., in 1907 street directory from Lennon Wylie website.
8 Hillman Street.
Robert Taylor, fitter.

236 Hillman Street.
W. Taylor, clerk.

Regards,
Dixie

[bradbrend]

A big thank you to all of you wonderful people who took the time to do some research on my behalf.
I do apologies in that I was not specific in my query and my spelling of tailor did not help. The family name is Bamber, the g/father (Samuel) was a Tailor by profession.
The place of birth and fathers residence are the same Sans Souci Lodge.
I had a look at Lennonylie site (thank you) and there is a Balmber Saml., - Taylor. 209 Hillman St. Surname is spelt differently but this can still happen today.
"your pete" info confirms there was a lodge to the main house but the map 1883-1920 shows the main house had gone, so perhaps they bought or rented the gate lodge.
Again thank you all for your input

[bradbrend]

OOPS! sorry, done it again, should be Balmber Saml., Tailor

[DixieDee]

Hillman Street, along with a few other local streets, appears to have been left out of the 1911 census for the Duncairn area. Two others I know of are Cosgrove and Copperfield Streets.
Dixie

*****  Found it in Dock Ward, sorry about that. My wife told me I was on the wrong side of Duncairn Gardens for it.

[bradbrend]

Thank you DixieDee