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Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« Reply #18 on: Monday 14 February 11 12:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mary

Thanks for the info; very helpful.

Do you by any chance have details of a possible father for Jane Wood Leeds, mother Mary Leeds as she is my direct 4th great grandmother please?

I have managed to tie in most of the fathers' names to the various illegitimate children born to the Leeds girls, except for finding their Christian names.  Can you please offer any assistance in this regard please?

Thanks in anticipation ...

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Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« Reply #19 on: Monday 14 February 11 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately, I have not been able to link your Jane Wood Leeds for certain with the main Leeds family as there were a few Mary Leeds in Lydd, single and married, during that period of time so it's difficult to identify her accurately.       

In case this helps someone, I have recently discovered what happened to the surviving child Michael Leeds (2) born in 1799 in Lydd to one of the Mary Leeds, mentioned in previous mails.   He married Elizabeth Chamberlain of Hythe and died young at Hythe leaving small children who were probably raised by their Chamberlain maternal grandparents as they are with them in 1841 and 1851 census for Hythe.    One of these orphans was yet another Michael, who emigrated to Australia in 1854, was involved in gold prospecting, owned a mine, sold it after he lost a lot of money in a fire.   He married twice, had 10 children.   He has descendants in Australia and New Zealand.
Tyler: Lincs, Cambs, London 1700s+
Scargell: Lincs, Cambs 1700s +
Lloyd: Bermondsey, Lambeth 1800+
Clarke, Costello, Griffin, Veldon: Co. Mayo 1800+
McNally, Thompson, Foster: Ireland and Northumberland 1800 +
Leeds-George: anywhere from 1800 +
Leeds, George, Terry, Dowle, Sheppard: Kent 1700+
Dennett: Charing Kent 1700 +
Aldred, Wilson: N.E. Suffolk 1700+

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Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« Reply #20 on: Monday 14 February 11 15:34 GMT (UK) »
Jane Wood Leeds married William Kensey 4 October 1812, Fordwich.

In the 1841 census, her birth year is abt 1789, born Kent (of course, the 1841 is not helpful with the actual place)

In the 1851 census her birth year is abt 1789, Lydd.

One of her children  born to her husband William Kensey was, as far as I can tell, Sophia LEEDS Kensey born 1821 Fordwich.  I had always wondered where the middle name of Leeds came from and when casalguidi kindly pointed out Jane Wood Leeds, mother Mary Leeds bapt 1788, Lydd (ref above), it rightly or wrongly fell into place where the name Leeds came from.

Therefore, since the Leeds family at Lydd seem to have had a number of illegitimate children by various fathers, named their children with the middle name of perhaps the father, I feel it may be safe to assume that Jane Wood Leeds bapt 1789 (the only Jane Wood Leeds on the IGI)  is the illegitimate daughter of a Mr ?? Wood and Mary Leeds (only Mary Leeds and no father as this is confirmed by the IGI) but which Mary Leeds, that is the question. 

Perhaps someone who has access to the Lydd Parish Registers would be kind enough to see how many Mary Leeds  were born around 1760/1770 in Lydd, Kent as this may be of assistance in clarifying this problem.

I see from Ancestry that there is a tree with Jane Wood Leeds, with Thomas Buss added today as a new son and wonder if this is as a result of this posting.  It would be great if someone who has access to the Lydd PRs could look at the baptism record for Thomas Buss in 1809 to see what was recorded as no father is on the IGI.

Thanks in anticipation ...

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Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« Reply #21 on: Monday 14 February 11 22:28 GMT (UK) »
"Perhaps someone who has access to the Lydd Parish Registers would be kind enough to see how many Mary Leeds  were born around 1760/1770 in Lydd, Kent as this may be of assistance in clarifying this problem."

The Leeds name did not arrive in Lydd (from High Halden) until mid 18th century, when John Leeds who had settled in nearby Brookland married (1) Elizabeth Kite in Lydd 1855 - they were married 12 years before her "firstborn" child Elizabeth is recorded in 1867  that child died 1771, her mother died 1770.   John L married (2) Mary Baker in Lydd 1772.   They had a daughter Mary  (I haven't found a baptism for her but many of the Lydd entries in 18th century are missing or illegible) he also had daughter-in-law Mary of around the same age who was married to son William and she had their only legitimate son William who died age 8, however, William Snr. started having his 8 children by Elizabeth George within about 4 years so either of those Marys could be having the illegitimate children.    Any other Mary Leeds at that time was not born in Lydd, although later some were born in early 1800s, but there were linked families in other villages, for example Marden, who had the odd Mary.   On IGI there is an Elizabeth born 1783 to a Mary Leeds, but this doesn't fit potential age of John Leeds' daughter Mary unless she was pregnant v.v. young and I have no other information on this one.   Is she the same or yet another?   There is also an entry for a son of John and wife's name given as ANN but this must be a transcription error because it was during the 9 year period of John's second marriage to Mary Baker with children being born on dates either side. 

My money is on an unmarried Mary of Lydd having a series of liaisons, but I have not been able to find records to prove it without any doubt.    There are bastardy settlements against Brackenbury and Impett.    Although John Leeds witnessed and signed the document, this may not have been in his capacity as a grandfather of the illegitimate child as he was also an Overseer of the Poor and a Juror.     Unfortunately he did not leave a will when he died in 1799 which could have helped , unlike his son William who proved his paternity of his 8 Leeds-George children baptised at Lydd.

There are  Lydd burials for Marys, one is John's 2nd wife in 1781, one is probably for the Mary counted at William's home in 1841 who died later that year and for whom age at death matches, although no relationship is given so it is not clear whether this was his legal wife or his sister.    Elizabeth George, his partner of 20 odd years died in 1824 soon after the birth and baptism of her child Mary, I haven't found any further record for this infant. 
Tyler: Lincs, Cambs, London 1700s+
Scargell: Lincs, Cambs 1700s +
Lloyd: Bermondsey, Lambeth 1800+
Clarke, Costello, Griffin, Veldon: Co. Mayo 1800+
McNally, Thompson, Foster: Ireland and Northumberland 1800 +
Leeds-George: anywhere from 1800 +
Leeds, George, Terry, Dowle, Sheppard: Kent 1700+
Dennett: Charing Kent 1700 +
Aldred, Wilson: N.E. Suffolk 1700+


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Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 09 January 16 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately, I have not been able to link your Jane Wood Leeds for certain with the main Leeds family as there were a few Mary Leeds in Lydd, single and married, during that period of time so it's difficult to identify her accurately.       

In case this helps someone, I have recently discovered what happened to the surviving child Michael Leeds (2) born in 1799 in Lydd to one of the Mary Leeds, mentioned in previous mails.   He married Elizabeth Chamberlain of Hythe and died young at Hythe leaving small children who were probably raised by their Chamberlain maternal grandparents as they are with them in 1841 and 1851 census for Hythe.    One of these orphans was yet another Michael, who emigrated to Australia in 1854, was involved in gold prospecting, owned a mine, sold it after he lost a lot of money in a fire.   He married twice, had 10 children.   He has descendants in Australia and New Zealand.

This is a very very late reply, but this is my direct line. I wasn't aware of the fire that Michael leeds lost money in - What I've been told is that Micheal Leed's first Wife, who is my ancestor(Jane Eliza Jones) passed away in a heatwave in Australia, and thats why he remarried later.

I was wondering, where did you get the information on Michael Leeds in Australia? It would be very helpful to know! :)

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Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 01:04 BST (UK) »
Oldmacs, this is a late posting from your 2016 post. I note that you are a direct descendant of Jane Eliza Jones - I am a direct descendant too.  She is my 2nd great grandmother, who married Michael Leeds who migrated to Australia (where I resided) in 1854. My direct line just down from my mother and father is huge (Leeds) - this month we celebrate the birth of the 42nd great grandchild of my Mum and Dad, ( We are nearing 100 descendants just in the line.  Anyway I would welcome some information on Eliza Jane Jones who was often know as Jane Eliza or just Jane.  Her tombstone read Eliza Jane in 1869 and I have details of her cause of death.  I have her born in 1828 in Whittonstall, Kent or is it 9 March 1827 in Shrewsbury, St Julian's Anglican, Shropshire?  Her name in the births and christenings 1538-1975 for the birth of her son, Charles Richard Leeds was Eliza Jane.  Can you shred any light on her birth?  Eliza migrated with Michael Leeds and arrived in Australia on 23 October, 1854. After Eliza died, Michael married Emily Margaret Baugh Jones in 1871.  I have extensive information on this line and would love to share.  I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Gen Campbell (nee Leeds)
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