1861 Census William Thomas DUDLEY

[Suanne]

Hi,

Can anyone help me find William Thomas DUDLEY b. Abt. 1812 in Sheerness, Kent on the 1861 census. 

I have him on the 1851:  HO107  Piece  1566  Folio  257  Pg 19     

And on the 1871:  RG10  Piece  613  Folio  14  Pg  24       

But have been totally unable to find him or his family on the 1861 census.   

His family are:

Wife           Elizabeth                     b. 1816  St Mary Lambeth.  Married  17th August  1839 Lambeth, Surrey

Son            William Henry              b.  1839  St Mary Newington
Son            Henry George              b.   1842     "
Son            Charles Edward           b.  1844      "
Son            George Francis             b.  1846     "
Son             Frank ?Francis             b.  1849     "
Dau            Alice (Ann  Elizabeth)   b.  1851      "
Son            Alfred                            b.  1854      "
Son            Reuben                         B.  1859     "

They have lived in the Lambeth  area   1841  through to 1881

Many thanks for any help   

Suanne 

[emarbe]

Hello Suanne

I don't know where you looked to find them in Lambeth but in 1871 they are here:

Rodney Row, St Mary, Newington (Southwark district).
Wm Dudley, age 60. Occupation - Carpenter. Born Kent.
Elizabeth (wife) age 54. Born Middlesex.
Alfred (son) age 17. Born Surrey.           
Rhuben (son) age 11.        ditto
Alice (daughter) age 19.     ditto

In 1881:

36 Tiverton Street, Newington (Southwark).
Willm Dudley, age 68. Occupation - Carpenter. Born Sheerness
Elizth (wife), age 64. Occupation - Dressmaker. Born Aldgate, Middlesex
George (son), age 32. Occupation - Barman. Born Newington.
Alfred (son), age 27. Occupation - Carpenter.       ditto
Reuben (son), age 24. Occupation - Waiter (Inn).      ditto

I still can't find any of them on the 1861 census though.

Mike

[Suanne]

Thanks mike they are proving to be very elusive in 1861 but I will keep looking under various guises.

Sue

[Suanne]

By the way Newington was in Lambeth at that time. Well that what it says on the copy of the Census return.

Sue

[WendyM]

Hi Suanne,
William Thomas Dudley was my great-great-great grandfather. One of his son's, Francis, had a son, Thomas Henry, who emigrated to Canada in the 1920's. His daughter, Lucy Jane was my grandmother. As far as my family knows, Thomas Dudley was the only Dudley from his family (a younger brother, Alex, returned to England) to emigrate. If you have any further information about the Dudley family, it would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Wendy

[Valda]

Hi

The help guide to censuses at the top of the Surrey board gives further information on the difficulties of the 1861 census and what is missing/lost from it


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403501.0.html


It also links to another topic that gives very specific information on the losses in Lambeth on that census as an example of just how much is missing from this census across the London area.


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,73670.0.html


St Mary's Newington was a district wedged between Southwark and Lambeth though considered part of Southwark


http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/parishes/parish_map.htm



The nearest family event to the 1861 census appears to be Reuben's birth (can't see a baptism for him)

Births Sep 1859 
Dudley  Reuben    Newington  1d 182

His birth would give you a street to search in the area for the 1861 census


You can find the exact reference for streets in Newington on the 1861 census using this guide


http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Newington_Registration_District,_1861_Census_Street_Index



Regards

Valda

[Suanne]

Many thanks for that Valda     Such a shame though

Cheers  Suanne

[Valda]

Hi

It doesn't mean their census entry is lost it may be misenumerated or misindexed.


Regards

Valda