Tates of Longtown

[Walkabout]

 ???I am up against a brick wall in my attempt to trace my Tate family in Longtown further back than the 19th century.The furthest I've managed to get is the marriage of Robert Tate and Elizabeth Tinniswood circa 1781 but I don't know whether that occurred in Longtown (Arthuret) or elsewhere and have no information of their parentage and background. Any info. or pointers would be gratefully received as I'm 12,000 miles away!

[Jeuel]

Longtown where?  Which country & county?

[Walkabout]

Longtown is in Cumberland (Cumbria), England

[Geoff-E]

You presumably have this marriage http://tinyurl.com/2ufpsdy

It is an "Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record" i.e. copied from the Arthuret register so ought to be reliable.

Arthuret church was close to Longtown - see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Arthuret/index.html

[Walkabout]

Thanks. The info. was obtained for me by a friend but lacked the exact date and the church. I suppose I would have to see the parish records to find out further info. about Robert's and Elizabeth's backgrounds, parents etc. Do you know if the Arthuret parish records are in the Archives or C.R.O in Carlisle or are both these in the same place? I am coming to England to go to  Longtown and Carlisle in September and don't want to waste time trying to find out where things are as my time there will be limited. I imagine these records are no longer held at the church. Thank you again for your help.

[Geoff-E]

Carlisle Records Office is closed for the rest of this year.  Alternative arrangements are given here http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/archives/newrecoff/closure_record_office.asp

[Deborah Boss]

Hi
I've had a look at the Diocese of Carlisle marriage licences for this marriage and no luck I'm afraid.  However, there are some interesting entries which I think may relate to your family:

2 Oct 1779
groom: Saml Rooke of Longtown, Arthuret, bricklayer
bride: Eliz Tate of Sandbed, Kirkandrews upon Eske
bondsman: Robert Tate of Kirkandrews upon Eske, mason (marks)

9 Mar 1778
groom: George Batty (Batey) of Browhead, Kirkandrews upon Eske, joiner
bride: Bridget Tate of Woodhead, Kirkandrews upon Eske, a minor
bondsman: John Tate of Kirkandrews, weaver
J T is her brother and swears that her father Robert Tate consents
marriage to take place in Kirkandrews upon Eske

and an earlier marriage of  (aunt of the above?)
24 Jan 1758
groom: James Robinson of Great Corby, Wetheral, bachelor, mason
bride: Bridget Tate of Clarkstown, K Andrews upon Eske, single woman
bondsman: John Tate of Sandbed, K Andrews upon Eske, yeoman
marriage to take place in Kirkandrews upon Eske

and there is also a William Tate of Carlisle, innholder who is bondsman for a marriage in KuponE on 30 May 1778.

Do you know the occupation of your Robert?  It looks like KuponE might be worth a look?  Also apprenticeship records?

I've had a look at Tinniswood entries as well but all isolated entries so far.  I'll wait to see if any of this is of interest.

regards
Deborah

[fmather]

I'm interested in this post as one of my great great grandmothers was Mary Anne Tate born in 1835 to Anne Tate, daughter of George Tate , who was a son of Robert Tate and Elizabeth Tinniswood.
Mary Anne, who later married Charles Mconachie, had 14 children (including a set of natural triplets) and lived to 95, was illegitimate....apparently Longtown, Cumbria had one of the highest rates of illegitimacy in the UK.
I read that it was customary before 1837 to include the unmarried father's name in the parish registers and would be interested to know if anyone has sight of the Longtown (Arthuret) parish registers.

[Geoff-E]

... it was customary before 1837 to include the unmarried father's name in the parish registers and would be interested to know if anyone has sight of the Longtown (Arthuret) parish registers.

It occasionally happened, but I wouldn't say it was customary.