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SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« on: Friday 29 October 10 11:11 BST (UK) »
I am looking to solve a little problem with the Simpson side of my family. I'm searching for a James Simpson my gggggrandfather. He was a weaver in 1847 stated on his daughter's marr cert, Jane Simpson who was born in knaresborough in 1827 and married 3 times in Otley/Baildon and Bradford. He also had a son William Simpson bn 1825 also in Knaresborough.
Jane had a daughter Ann Elizabeth Simpson my gggrandmother she was born in 1845, this is where the confusion begins born:
1851 East Morton,
1861 Morton
1871 now Proctor born Morton
1881 Proctor born Braidley
1891 Proctor bn Guiseley
1901 Proctor bn Bradford

On Ann E's marriage certif it states she has no father (poss illegitimate?)
I was wondering whether James actually came from Knaresbourough or the family came from the Braidley area and she went there to give birth away from her father.
A mystery.....any ideas anyone
Proctor/Rawdon Idle, Moore/Aldwinkle, Whittingham/Draughton, Lund/Carlton Simpson/Knaresborough, Mawson/Idle Ramsden/Shipley
Dachtler/London, Moult/Hazel Grove, Mottershead/Poynton, Green, Byrne and Haynes/London

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Re: SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 October 10 15:05 BST (UK) »
Just looking at my local A-Z.
The Morton entries refer to village off the main A650 Bingley to Keighley road.
Guiseley/Bradford refer to area/locality.
Braidley, thats the one I am stuck on?
 Brian
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Re: SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 October 10 15:55 BST (UK) »
Hi

Are you referring to the reference in 1861

RG09, 3212, 73, 3     

Elizabeth Simpson born 1845 Morton, the daughter in law (step daughter) of Robert Mann?

If so in answer to one of your queries, it looks like she possibly was illegitimate as it looks like the first time Jane Simpson married was 1847 to Jacob Anderson then to Robert Mann in 1854.

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Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

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Re: SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 October 10 16:02 BST (UK) »
Hi

BRAIDLEY, in the parish of Coverham, wapentake of Hang West, and liberty of Richmondshire; 6 miles SW. of Coverham, 7 miles SW. of Middleham. A small hamlet, situated at the SW. extremity of Coverdale."

Source from Yorkshire genuki

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Booth, Hornsby, Northumberland & Durham
Jackson, Northumberland & Durham
Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

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Re: SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 October 10 18:24 BST (UK) »
Hi

Can you give us the reference for the 1881 census please

Evie

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Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
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Re: SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 November 10 08:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Evie

Sorry for the delay I was working nights the ref for the 1881 census was RG11 piece 4477/123 page 16
The head of the Family is William Procter (spelt ER not OR)

This is the first mention of Braidley I have looked into the Braidley census hoping to find Jane or James in the 1841 census but no joy. There is a Jane Simpson living in Parliament st Bilton Harrogate (HO107/1285/10 but the ages dont add up. No sign of James (who seems to be a mystery. The Knaresborough 1841 census is the clue with James, Jane 1826 and William 1825 but I havent found it yet.
Its still bugging me why state birth place as Morton then Braidley, the only thought is Jane was born in Knaresborough travelled to/from Braidley and on the journey gave birth at Morton, the guiseley/Bradford was were she lived and would have been easier to state.

The plot thickens Many thks for your input

Jon
Proctor/Rawdon Idle, Moore/Aldwinkle, Whittingham/Draughton, Lund/Carlton Simpson/Knaresborough, Mawson/Idle Ramsden/Shipley
Dachtler/London, Moult/Hazel Grove, Mottershead/Poynton, Green, Byrne and Haynes/London

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Re: SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 November 10 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Managed to find 1841 census with William and Jane dates ok living in Bishopside nr pateley bridge. The head of husehold is a Harriet Kitchen, their older brother is James Simpson a Tailor!!!! could James have been the same James on Jane's wedding certif??
1841 census HO107/1351/4

Am I thinking too deep ?
Proctor/Rawdon Idle, Moore/Aldwinkle, Whittingham/Draughton, Lund/Carlton Simpson/Knaresborough, Mawson/Idle Ramsden/Shipley
Dachtler/London, Moult/Hazel Grove, Mottershead/Poynton, Green, Byrne and Haynes/London

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Re: SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 November 10 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Winding back a touch who were the witnesses on Jane's marriage certificate. Do you just have her first one? Oh and her address please in 1847.

I saw that entry for 1841, it could be a possible but why say weaver if he was a tailor?  :-\

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Re: SIMPSON, Knaresborough confusion
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 November 10 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jon

The more I look at the family you found in 1841 the more I am thinking it could be them. We have Harriet Simpson born abt 1833 Knaresborough then Robert Kitchen born abt 1835 Pateley, Joseph 1836, Ann or Hannah 1838 and George 1839.

What we need to find is a death for James Simpson between 1832 and 1835 and a marriage for Harriet 1833 to 1837. Also a death for a possible Richard Kitchen before 1841.

The reason I mention a Richard is that the only christening I can find in Pateley is for a Robert Kitchen

27 MAY 1834   Salem Independent, Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire to Richard and Harriet.

Evie
Booth, Hornsby, Northumberland & Durham
Jackson, Northumberland & Durham
Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

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