Joshua Say: Birth Lookup Soham

[esdel]

Is there a kind soul who would look up birth of Joshua Say, Soham 1750 for me?
I have been trying to find his parents for years!
esdel

[bedfordshire boy]

Soham baptisms have been extracted onto the IGI. Plenty of other Says but no Joshua. Who were the witnesses at his Soham marriage?

[esdel]

Soham baptisms have been extracted onto the IGI. Plenty of other Says but no Joshua. Who were the witnesses at his Soham marriage?

Good idea, but my notes say 19 Oct 1778, no witness names of any use.
This means probably just the curate and someone off the street.

There is a Joshua Say of Little Plumstead, Norfolk who married Mary Utting 1 Oct 1749 at St Mary in the Marsh, Norwich
They baptised a son Joshua at little Plumstead 1750 and (if the parents) why would they travel to Soham to have a son and then leave him there? They seemed to stay in Wortwell and Joshua senior died there in Wortwell in 1755 before the wedding
Then in about 1800 Joshua and Mary Kidd suddenly themselves moved to Wortwell.
Another mystery is they tried (unsuccessfully) five times (!) to have a surviving son called John
Maybe that Joshua Senior left a Will?
esdel

[rosie99]

They baptised a son Joshua at little Plumstead 1750 and (if the parents) why would they travel to Soham to have a son and then leave him there? They seemed to stay in Wortwell and Joshua senior died there in Wortwell in 1755 before the wedding
Then in about 1800 Joshua and Mary Kidd suddenly themselves moved to Wortwell.
Another mystery is they tried (unsuccessfully) five times (!) to have a surviving son called John
Maybe that Joshua Senior left a Will?
esdel

Why do you think that Joshua bn 1750 was born in Soham ?

Rosie

[esdel]

Good question, Rosie!

IGI and/or Parish Registers told me.
So I entered it in my notes, pending denial.

Of course he is only a Joshua - one of many!

But I never got a denial - merely facts (admittedly all about a Joshua; not necessarily him!)

The reason I posted a birth lookup is in the hope we might get "proof" - if there ever is such a thing!

At present all I know is (with the word "a" in front of every JS:-
JS married Mary Kidd 19 Oct 1778 at St Andrews Soham
Mary is a local gal (b Jul 1760 Soham)
JS+ Mary Kidd had these children at Soham between 1781 and 1802:-
Rachel, Jeremiah, John, Mary, Jeremiah, Ann, Mary, John, John, Elizabeth, John, Elizabeth, Charlotte
(that is 4 failed John's!) before suddenly moving to Wortwell, Norfolk and failing with John again and having a Lydia.

Joshua (a Joshua) died at Wortwell, buried in Dissenters ground 15 May 1818 and his Will (NOAH) has an eldest son  Jeremiah as executor.

Often Ancestry.con calls Wortwell "Wordwell"!

Here is a bit of history:-
I was working up (back) from my grannie and was stuck around Job Say.
A struggle I will not bore you with (unless you ask!!)
In  1841 we find Job living in Wortwell with his parents Jeremiah and Lydia (both listed aged 50, ie between 45 and 55), and siblings Samuel, Rebecca, Matilda, Joshua and Harriet.
Jeremiah was listed as a farmer.
I found the marriage of Jeremiah Say and Lydia Fennell on the IGI on 22nd January 1816 in Hoxne, Suffolk.
I searched for the birth of Jeremiah Say in the IGI, and found two entries, both for the same family, one for a Jeremiah born to a Joshua Say and Mary in Soham, Cambridge in 1783, though this Jeremiah died in 1787. The second was another Jeremiah to the same parents (this time listed as Joshua Say and Mary Kidd) in the same place in 1788, ie the next son born would have been given the name of the one who had just died, which was of course quite common in those days. The only problem with these entries is that we cannot guarantee there are no more Jeremiah Says out there with different parents, as the IGI is not exhaustive, so this would have to be guesswork.

Wake up  I'm finished!

best wishes
esdel

[bedfordshire boy]

In  1841 we find Job living in Wortwell with his parents Jeremiah and Lydia (both listed aged 50, ie between 45 and 55)

NO. Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below. So 50 covered an age range of 50 to 54.

What age was Joshua on burial in 1818?

If he was a dissenter, were his parents also, in which case he may not have been baptised in the established church?

[esdel]

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What age was Joshua on burial in 1818?

If he was a dissenter, were his parents also, in which case he may not have been baptised in the established church?

Yes a dissenter - from what is not clear.
Age 68

[bedfordshire boy]

Did his marriage entry say he was of this parish when he married in Soham? That, of course, means that he was resident in Soham at the time of the marriage, not that he was born there.

The 3 Oct 1788 entry on the IGI is odd. It claims to be a birth, yet there's no baptism. Worthy of further investigation. Was it a birth of a dissenter recorded in the parish register?

What was Jeremiah's parish of residence in his 1818 marriage?

It strikes me that there's a lot of assumptions here, based on the IGI, which as you say, is far from complete

[bedfordshire boy]

Yes a dissenter - from what is not clear.

From the established church ie from the Church of England