Turnbull - Cramlington 1800 to 1945

[pete ash]

Yep it can get expensive  . If it helps, Cramlington is /was in Tynemouth registration district. The Lance born 1889 looks agood bet to me.

[muso_bob]

1891 census has a Lancelot A Turnbull living in Crow Hall Farm cottages Schedule No 19) Cramlington Head aged 27 with a son Lancelot age 1. There is another family  R Brown etc on the same page - Schedule No 15 Beacon Farm). (Coincidentally the property name on my grandfather's marriage certificate. There is also a Lancelot age 77 in the place Schedule No 20 Crow Hall Farm with son George age 35. I see in 1881 census that Lancelot age 67 has sons Lancelot 27 ans George 26. So without other evidence yet I believe that the Lancelot 27 is father of Lancelot 1 in the Schedule 19 1891 census. I hope. By the way the families with Lancelot in them are all farmers. My grandfather in 1922 - a stone miner.

Getting a Lancelot closer to my grandfather Robert I think. Thanks for the push Pete. I am hoping the Lancelot born around 1890 (2 to 3 years older than my grandfather Robert is the witness on my Robert Turnbull 1922 marriage certificate.   

[c-side]

Well I'm failing to put Lancelot and Robert on the same census page 

Looking at 1901 the 1 year old Lancelot from 1891 is now 11 and still living at Crow Hall Farm with widowed mother Ann and his siblings, none of which are called Robert (Robson is the closest)

There is also another Lancelot Allgood aged 6 on the same page son of farmer George and his wife Catherine - again, no siblings called Robert.

They could of course be cousins.


Christine

[muso_bob]

Hi c-side - that is what I am looking for now. My Great grandfather being a brother of Lancelot senior born about 1814 ish. One can but hope. May there are a Lancelot and Robert brothers in the 1841 census fingers crossed.

[keyboard86]

Hi all has the Lancelot Allwood Turnbull born Dec 1877 Belford 10b 381 and a Butcher on the 1911 in Cramlington a possible link?
Keyboard86

[Michael Dixon]

 This is just a quick dash thru your Turnbulls starting with

 Lancelot Turnbul/Turnbull born/baptised in Clyne, Sutherland Scotland in 1814, son of William and Elizabeth ( nee Robson/Robison)

Source IGI and ScotlandsPeople

Lancelot has several children with an Elizabeth in Northumberland...
Jane b circa 1843, William 1845, John 1846, Mark 1848 Robert 1849,Lancelot Allgood Robson,  1853, George 1855, James 1858.

Lancelot A.R and George were born in Bull Bush ( Bullbush) a community in the "township" of Hollinhill, within the Parish of Rothbury.


Census 1851 @ Ritton, (2423-217-7)
Census 1861 @Branton (3893-79A-18)
Census 1871 @ Fleetham (5178-62-28)
Census 1881 @ Crow Hall Farm, Cramlington ( 5094-78-34)
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Census 1891  @         "                       "           (4235-117-3)X 2 families-same page.
Census 1891 West Hartford  (4236-163-9) William & second wife.

Matriarch Elizabeth dies 1886, Patriarch Lancelot A  dies 1900. Son Archibald A.R dies 1899.

Census 1901 George and family @ Crow Hall (4811-71-1)
Census 1901 Lancelot junior's widow Ann @ Crow Hall (same ref)
Census 1901 William and family @ West Hartford ( 4809- - 24)
Census 1901 Lancelot A (prob. son of William) @ Jesmond (4781-43-34)

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When a  large family follows  the conventions of the English/Scottish Naming Pattern to name their children , the results are similarly named children down thru generations...

i.e. SCotland-born Lancelot's father was William. Lancelot named his first son, William, after his father- rule 1 of naming pattern.

Son William named his first son, Lancelot, after his own father..

Scottish Lancelot's son Lancelot, called his first son, Lancelot, after his father, not himself.

Scottish Lancelot's son George, similarly named his first son, Lancelot after his dad..

And I would guess the Turnbulls carried this on into the C20th, before the convention died out.

Michael

[Michael Dixon]

 Newcastle Courant Friday 3rd March 1882

 Article on Newcastle court case: Miner William North of Dudley is accused of criminal assault on 17 yr old Mary Barnes, 17, in the employment of Mr Lancelot Turnbull, farmer, of Plessey Crow Hall, near Cramlington.

Doctor testified that his examination of the alleged victim showed no sign of rape!
Prisoner was discharged.

Michael

[keyboard86]

Hi all has the Lancelot Allwood Turnbull born Dec 1877 Belford 10b 381 and a Butcher on the 1911 in Cramlington a possible link?
Keyboard86

Hi with possible knowledge of later census maybe 190!  RG13/4843/14/20, and 1891 RG12/4266/18/7
Keyboard86

[muso_bob]

Wow - my head is swimming - thanks everyone. There is a Lancelot living at the Beacon Farm place in 1911. So that is certainly something to pursue and encouraging. Michael thank you for your info as well so informative. In fact all who have taken the time to respond, thanks. Clearly there is a passion in family history. I enjoy the journey as much as the results.

I was born in Scotland although live in overseas (in UK for 4 months at the moment so tracing tracing). Our grandson carries my last name in his names as the Scottish tradition. His father is from a Scot dairy family. My wife and I have 3 daughters so the line will pull up.

keyboard86 - thanks I did get those census and now revisiting.

Now the homework - I will be in Italy for a week before I can get stuck in again.