Help Please - Arthur Edwin Westhorp - around 1855

[mrsearch]

Wow Valda thanks so much.  This is excellent information.  We didn't know about the daughter Alice W at all so that's very exciting.

I'm very confused by all the William Hast Westhorps.  We have three so far WH Snr born 1796 to Nathaniel W and Elizabeth Hast.  His son (according to the 1871 census) WH Jnr born 1822 and now WH (3rd) born 1886.  The date and place of his birth fit well with Arthur and Alice's string of children, but the info from the tree on Ancestry confuses things - as does his mother.  I have a Louisa Catherine W as well, but as the child of Theophilus who was William Hast Snr's brother.  I wish they hadn't all used the same names all the time!

We have found a photo (last night) of "Uncle Will" in uniform dated 1917 and we have photos of an Uncle Gordon taken here in Australia in 1930.  Back to the search for me, obviously.

Once again thanks so much for your assistance.  It's amazingly helpful.

PS Sorry if this gets posted twice... computer confusion!

[mrsearch]

Hi pjrcw - a scan of the photo of the brothers would be very interesting indeed.  We could likewise send scans of "Uncle Will" and "Uncle Gordon" (who do look a bit similar despite differences in age).  Perhaps this would best be done through PMs once you're able to send them.  Look forward to hearing form you.

[geniecolgan]

Hi,

I don't know if this is relevant but there's a Fred'k Gordon Westhrop b.1907, Tallangatta, Victoria. Father, Erns't Jno Westhorp; Mother, Alice Mary Rapsey.

[mrsearch]

Hi - thanks for that.  I don't think he's the right one but the Gordon does point backwards to potential fathers.  I found a death notice for Fedrick (sic) Gordon in NSW as well in 1968.  Haven't traced back through the parents yet as I'm yet to identify that Gordon actually is a child of Arthur and Alice.  Will work on it tho - thanks for the help.

[Valda]

Hi

1891 census RG12 739 folio 6
Seal? Cottage 179 Black Street Deal Kent
Wm H Westhorp 46 Head Married Ship master Poplar London
Louis C Westhorp 49 Wife Married Poplar London
William H Westhorp 5 Son Poplar London
1 visitor and two servants

Births Jun 1886   Westhorp  William Hast     W. Ham  4a 80

1901 census RG13 886 folio 15
Seaford College Sutton cum Seaford, Sussex
William H Westhorp 15 Boarder  Deal, Kent

Seaford College

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaford_College

Marriages Dec 1878     
WESTHORP  Louisa Catherine     Epping  4a 199   
WESTHORP  William Hast     Epping  4a 199

Births Mar 1845   
WESTHORP  William Hart     Poplar  2 347

On the 1851 census this William was with his mother Elizabeth aged 28 whose husband was a master in Trinity (barge) and a younger brother both born Bromley (by Bow). A William Haste Westhrop the son of William Haste Westhrop married Elizabeth Sweeting in 1844 in Bethnal Green. He was a fireman and his father was a cook.

Regards

Valda

[pjrcw]

Thank you so much Valda for all the infomation, its a great help especially about the college.

[Valda]

Hi

Full details of what I mentioned in my last post.

11th February 1844 St John, Bethnal Green
William Haste Westhorp Full Age Bachelor Fireman 2 Elizabeth Place William Haste Westhorp Cook
Elizabeth Sweeting Full Age Spinster 16 Wells Street Thomas Sweeting Gent
Both signed
Witneses Thomas and Henry Sweeting

1851 census HO107 1556 folio 439
7 Susannah Shreet Poplar
Elizabeth Westhorp 28 Married Husband in Trinity Barge Bethnal Green Middlesex
William Westhorp 6 Son Bromley Middlesex
Samuel E Westhorp 1 Son Bromley Middlesex

1861 census RG9 466 folio 59
Jones Cottages Erith Kent
Elizabeth Westhorp 38 Head Married Shoreditch Middlesex
Elizabeth Westhorp 14 Daughter Folkestone Kent
Samuel Westhorp 11 Son Poplar Middlesex
Joseph Westhorp 9 Son Poplar Middlesex
Arthur Westhorp 6 Son Poplar Middlesex
Hannah Westhorp 3 Daughter Poplar Middlesex
Florence Westhorp 1 Daughter Erith Kent
Catherine Sweeting? 22 Married East Indies

Husband an engineer on the Goliath in 1861

1871 census RG10 574 folio 169
Oakum Factory Falcon Works Ellismere Street Bromley by Bow Middlesex
William H Westhorp 49 Head Married Manager Patent Machine Pickled Oakum Harwich Essex
Elizabeth Westhorp 48 Wife Married Bethanl Green Middlesex
Henry Westhorp 21 Son Son Weigher at Oakum Factory Bromley Middlesex
Elizabeth Westhorp 24 Daughter Domestic Servant Folkestone Kent
Joseph Westhorp 19 Son Engine Fitter at works Poplar Middlesex
Arthur Westhorp 16 Son Engine Fitter at works Poplar Middlesex
Hannah Westhorp 14 Daughter Poplar Middlesex
Florence Westhorp 12 Daughter Poplar Middlesex
Walter Westhorp 9 Son Erith Kent
Horace Westhorp 7 Son Bromley Middlesex
Ada Westhorp 4 Daughter Bromley Middlesex

Other than the 1851 and 1891 censuses it is hard to spot William Hast Westhorp born 1845, the father of William Hast Westhorp born 1886, on censuses - not surprising if he was a merchant seaman. By 1901 his wife was a widow.

1901 census RG13 1637 folio 147
Nu?ton Palmerston Road Buckhurst Hill Essex
Louisa Cath Westhorp 60 Head Widow Polar London
plus 1 visitor and a servant

Deaths Jun 1891   Westhorp  William Ha_t  46  Eastry  2a 629

He died at Seagirt Cottage Deal and left a will with an estate valued at  nearly £1,500
Louisa Catherine his widow died in 1909 and also left a will.

Their son William Hast Westhorp who was killed in the First World War would be a cousin to Robert Samuel and Arthur Dilks.


Alice and her son Robert on the 1901 census

1901 census RG13 1564 folio 146
4 Romford Road West Ham Essex
Edmund B Mitchell 24 Head Single Solicitor's Articled clerk Havant Hampshire
Alice L Winthrop 39 Servant Widow Housekeeper Dover Kent
Robert S Winthrop 13 Son Stationer's clerk West Ham

Deaths Mar 1914 Westhorp  Alice L  57  Wigan  8c 96

If this is her she's in Lancashire?

On a free search of the 1911 census Alice was still in West Ham.


Arthur Dilks Westhrop joined the navy

Registers of Seaman's services
Name  Westhorp, Arthur Dilks
Official Number:  208291
Place of Birth:  Bromley-by-Bow, London
Date 09 August 1884
Catalogue reference ADM 188/363 
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 208001-208500


Other than their sister Alice Winifred who died young there is no evidence (from censuses) that there were any other siblings or any that survived and there isn't much space between the marriage in 1880 and Arthur Edwin's death in 1889 (and 9 months after) for many more children.
Marriage March quarter 1880 Mile End
Birth Alice Winifred 1880 December quarter Poplar
Birth Arthur Dilks  Sept quarter 1884 Poplar
Birth Robert Stanley March quarter 1888 West Ham
Death Arthur Edwin March quarter 1889 West Ham


Regards

Valda

[pjrcw]

Hello Mrsearch

The document I found is a British army WW1 medal rolls index cards 1914-1920 (regarding a Victory medal) and is from Ancestry.uk archives. This document was sent to my grandfather Arthur Dilks Westhorp, when William Hast died and it also says “Brother” on the address.  Please note that my Grandfather ran the police station in Harefield, (a small village) when he was younger and that is why the address on the document says police station .
My daughter reminds me that we also have a book called “Barrack-room ballads” by Rudyard Kipling( from Methuen’s colonial library) 1905, with  his name written inside, (W. Hast Westhorp) it also says “Naval police” under his name. At least we think it says Naval, but is this him? It is certainly one family member.

I have attached a picture of the three brothers. The one on the left is my Grandfather but I am not certain of the others.

Regards PJRCW

[geniecolgan]

Hi MrSearch,

do you have Robert Stanley's British Army WWI Pension Records?
There are 14 images for him on Ancestry. Indexed as Robert Westhorf !
RE Sapper 59546, trade was Mech Draughtsman.