Richard Foveaux (1757) Mary Kirby (c1760)

[MaggieK]

Hi

I am trying to find a marriage record for Richard Foveaux (1757) and Mary Kirby (c1760) who were married in I gather in Stalisfield (Faversham) near Charing, Kent c1785.

Richard Foveaux and Mary went to Belgium until Richard died in 1788, Mary and her children returned to England and took Mary's maiden name of Kirby. Does anyone know what happened to Mary Foveaux, her son Richard Charles Kirby and her daughter Mary Kirby. Richard Charles Kirby's later life is documented briefly in a book about Joseph Foveaux. Where did she return to in England as a widow, did she get married again??

Any information greatfully appreciated.

Maggie

[KleinBT]

Hi,
If the Mary Kirby you are looking for is Mary Louisa Kirby, daughter of Sir Richard Charles Kirby, she married Wilhelm Friedrich Bernhard Klein (known as William) in South Dublin in 1848.  Richard Charles Kirby's son Sidney Henry Joseph married in Dublin 1851.  Son Charles Foveaux Kirby married in Madras India 1847.  Source for this information is FamilySearch.
I am researching The Klein family.  William and Louisa had 10 children, one of whom came to New Zealand and this is where I began.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Bruce

[MaggieK]

Hi Bruce

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post.  Mary Louisa Kirby who you have supplied information on is the grandaughter of the Mary Isabella Kirby that I am looking for.  Sir Richard was Mary's son, he was named after his father Richard Foveaux. Both Sir Richard and Mary their daughter took the Kirby name when they returned to England after Richard's death. We believe that Mary Kirby/Foveaux later married my relative, (we are still researching to try and find conclusie evidence of this) and her two children, Sir Richard and Mary junior apparently were brought up by the Foveaux's.

Since my last post I have found out this:
The date line looks like this: Mary Isabella Kirby (1761-1843) poss marries Richard Foveaux (1757-1788), (not found the marriage confirmation yet) they have two children Mary Kirby(1786-1850), she marries Johann Jacob Daniel Weiss 11 May 1805 and Richard Charles Kirby (later Sir) 1788-1867. He marries Elizabeth Craggs 6 July 1811. Mary Kirby (1786) may have been born in London, but Richard Charles(1788)  appears to have been born in Belgium same year his father died.

Both Richard (Sir) and Mary have their mother's maiden name rather than their father's.

If you have any more information on this family I would be grateful. I couldnt find Mary Louisa's marriage so that has tied up that date and place. However you dont say who Sidney Henry married only that it was in Dublin. Any idea why he was in dublin? Also didnt have Charles Foveaux Kirby's place of marriage so that is helpful. I knew their eldest child Charles had been born in Madras but didnt know that they had married in India.
Regards
Maggie

[KleinBT]

Hi Maggie,
Thanks for your reply - it has helped me with part of Kirby/ Foveaux relationships.
Sorry for not giving more detail about Sidney Henry Joseph's marriage.   He married Jane Cross, daughter of Maurice Cross on 11 Mar 1851 in Dublin.
Do you know if Richard Foveaux (1757-1788) is Joseph Foveaux's (1767- ??) brother. The "Joseph Foveaux:  power and patronage in early New South Wales" fame?
If they are brothers is their father Antione Joseph Foveaux?
Kind regards
Bruce

[MaggieK]

Hi Bruce

The Kirby/Foveaux relationships are quite interesting and it seems that certainly on the Kirby side they were keen to keep the Foveaux name going in their family as for generations some children have had Foveaux as a second name.

Anyway to your question. Yes Richard Foveaux 1757-1788 was Joseph Foveaux's brother born 10 April 1766 in Ampthill, Bedfordshire, England and died 20 march 1846 New Road Marylebone, London. He was of New South Wales fame.  And the Foveaux Strait was named after him. Their parents were Antione Joseph Foveaux 1724 Lille, Flanders, France-1814 Bedfordshire. He married Elizabeth Wheeler 1725-1801. They had six children.

Any other info you require I am happy to share if I have it on my tree. Perhaps it would be easier if we PM instead as I can copy and paste that way as that is not possible on Rootschat. This is a very interesting family tree and has taken awhile to research.

Regards
Maggie

[KleinBT]

Maggie,
Thanks for the tip "Isabella" as this made a difference, because she called herself by this name.
Mary Isabella Foveaux married William Doust at ST George in the East, England on 20 Apr 1797
Isabella Doust d July 1843, London UK (England and Wales BMD Indes 1780-1837)
Isabella Doust burried 25 Sept 1843 (London, England Deaths and Burials 1813-1980).  Can't explain the time difference.
Resided Greenwich, kent in 1841 ( Census).

Please explain what PM is?
Regards
Bruce

[MaggieK]

Hi Bruce,

This is my relative, William Doust and it is the link with the Foveaux family that we are trying to prove for definite. ie Mary Isabella was the same Mary Kirby who ?married Richard Foveaux and was the mother of Richard (Sir) and Mary. This would mean that our descendants are half brothers and sisters to Sir Richard and Mary.

So far the Kirby descendants are happy to accept that the two are one and the same, and a scrap of paper in a file somewhere was found with the name Doust on in the Kirby household of the person doing the research. However as they have died we do not know how they came about finding this information. Bearing in mind that the research was done before internet etc, so we think it might have come from a private source, word of mouth, obviously somebody knew something to link the families together or it was a name they were looking into while doing the research. When Sir Richard applied for his coat of arms he didnt give his family heritage, which is very unusual, and normally I gather your request would not be accepted without a providence. 

We know that any reference to a marriage in Belguim for Richard and Mary was destroyed by the Germans during the war. But we think that it might have been in London as we think Mary their daughter was born there before they went to Belguim. There was a reference to Stalisfied in Bedfordshire but historians in that area have found no marriage reference for us. We have been unable to find Mary's parents too but believe that her father was a Bedfordshire farmer. However Kirby is a fairly common name in Bedfordshire.

PM is a private message which you can get to via the username on the left hand corner. So you go to my username and click on it and there is an option for a private message.

Kind regards
Maggie

[Blackwellmp]

Hello
I may have some information on Mary Isabella Kirby--are those of you who contributed to this thread still following it?
Michael

[Blackwellmp]

This is the route to my interest in Mary Isabella Kirby. For many years, I have been searching for details of the early life and parentage of my 4G grandfather John Kirby who died in 1814. He was a sea captain on routes between North America and London. We know a great deal about his later life through his correspondence book which survives and his own account of one particularly dramatic incident at sea. But as to his early life and parentage we have been able to find nothing. All that we know about him point to his family roots being in County Durham, but an extensive search of parish records has not turned up any good candidates.
Having had no success in looking for John Kirby directly, we have tried to find him indirectly by trying to trace family members mentioned in his correspondence and will. One of them was “my brother-in-law William Doust of Greenwich”. So we were very interested to find the discussion on rootschat of a William Doust of Greenwich marrying a Mary Isabella Kirby. This would point to Mary Isabella being John’s sister.
If she is, this would be her family:
Father : John Kirby [Senior] died and buried at Old Stranton (near Hartlepool) on May 2nd 1785.
Mother: Not known
Brother: John Kirby, Sea Captain, married for second time (widower) in 1803 in Rotherhithe, South London and lost at sea 1814
Sister: Eleanor Kirby, who married William Trenholm (a grocer) 16 Feb 1788 in Stockton, Co. Durham
Sister: Ann Kirby, who became the second wife of Ninian Sheraton in Stranton (near Hartlepool) on March 14th 1775 and after his death married William Knowles at Stranton on 9 May 1799.
What puzzles me is that there is no mention of any sister Mary in John Kirby’s writings. Also, if the 1841 census enumerators got it right Mary Isabella was born in Kent. Still, this is our first new lead in a long time and it’s certainly worth pursuing.