The elusive HENRY VINES

[TonyV]

I've been looking for information/confirmation about Henry Vines' parents for 2 years and would greatly appreciate a Leicester 1841 Census lookup.

Henry was born around 1832/33, probably in Leicester. His father was Charles. I believe, but have no proof, that this was a Charles Vines b. 1809 in Collyweston, N'thants. If this is true his mother was Elizabeth (nee Coton) and Charles died in 1856.

Henry moved to Derby in time for the 1851 Census but whoever spoke to the enumerator (his landlord?) did not know where he was born. In the 1871 (Leicester),1881 (Nottingham) & 1891 (Desborough) censuses Henry, albeit sometimes using aliases,  says each time that he was born in Leicester. He married first in 1853 and the certificate gives his father's name, and again in 1870 where it was confirmed. Charles was alive in 1853 but dead by 1870. Henry himself died in 1899.

If I can confirm my belief I can add many more names to my tree.

regards

Tony   

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s & a Belated Welcome Tony…..

I did have a look at your enquiry…..
But unfortunately my copy of the 1841.Census.
Although are scanned Images of the original census returns.
There is NO search programme so it’s a trawl through page by page.
I’ve managed to sort out my own index of the Parishes.
But there are approx 125,000 names so it does take time to go through them.
So if you have some Idea of the Parish Henry might have been in then it would help.
I did look within the same area as the 1851. Census that being Bath Street but drew a blank….

So if you can wait until I next do a sweep of the City returns then I’m sure I might find the information you are looking for
But in the meantime below is the details from the 1851. census returns and has you can see I’ve found Charles & Elizabeth Vines and their Family at the time.     

1851. Scanned Census Indexed Transcription

2090 / 344 / 13 / 46. = Bath Street.St. Nicolas Parish Leicester.

CHARLES   VINES   HEAD   M   42   M   AG. LAB.   NTH   COLLYWESTON
ELIZABETH   VINES   WIFE   M   47   F   AG. LAB.'S WIFE   LEI   KILBY
JOSEPH   VINES   SON      14   M   WINDER OF WORSTED   LEI   LEICESTER
SOPHIA   VINES   DAU      8   F   SCHOLAR   RUT   UPPINGHAM
THOMAS   RIDGWAY   LODG   U   25   M   BRAKESMAN ON RAIL   LEI   ODSTONE


©  Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2001.

MIKE.

[SueTeakle]

I think I may have Henry on the 1861 census, do you have this info already?

Regards, Sue

[TonyV]

Mike

Thanks very much for your reply and your greetings.

Your  1851 census reference is indeed the family that I hope Henry belongs to. Henry was in Derby by 1851 and got married in 1853. In 1841 he would only have been 9, so in all probability would have been at home.

I find it curious that Charles was an ag. lab.  living in the centre of Leicester in 1851. Interestingly however, Charles had a railway worker lodging with him in 1851; on Henry's marriage certificate in 1853 he stated that his father (named Charles) was a porter, Henry himself was a stoker and his best man an engine driver. Nothing provable but all the circumstantial evidence of a link is favourable so far.

Mike I'd be most grateful if you would keep a look out for the Vines surname 'as and when' as you offer.

Sue

Thanks for your interest. Henry was in Silverdale, Staffs (Wolstanton) in 1861. Is that the census ref. you have found? If so many thanks for looking (and caring) but I have that one. Incidentally I called him 'elusive' because those two and the 1871 census are the only censuses (except possibly 1841) in which he uses his real name. He must have done something wicked after 1871 because he used two different aliases in 1881 and 1891. I'd love to know what happened!

best regards

Tony   

[TonyV]

Mike

I've just had a thought (doesn't happen that often! )

If Henry is indeed part of the Bath Street family, their daughter Sophia's birth in 1842 was registered in Uppingham. That suggests that they may have been in that part of the world in 1841 rather than Leicester. Do you know whether the Rutland 1841 census has been transcribed or, better still, scanned?

regards

Tony

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting's Again....Tony

Re 1841. Census.....
Sorry I don't have the 1841. census yet.....
If you put your enquiry on the Rutland Section on this site.
for the Uppingham look up
I'm sure Paul ( Smuggler 28) will help you.
He has the Scanned Census returns

But have a feeling Collyweston might just come under Northamptonshire .....

I'll await delevopments before diving into Leicester 1841. Census.

MIKE.

[SueTeakle]

Hi Tony, yes that is the info I found, I had a feeling you might already have it 

Regards, Sue

[TonyV]

Mike

Thanks again. I've just posted on the Rutland lookups site as you advise. Fingers crossed!

Thanks for looking Sue

regards

Tony

[Mike from Leicester]

Yes seen that ....lol :0)

Just the one Family of Vines in Knossington 1841. :-

William Vines. 25. Ag Lab. Born Knossington.
Ann Wife. 25. Born Loddington.
Thomas Vines 10.
Sarah Vines. 2.
Philip Vines. 1.

Also living with them
Mary Broom. 49 Pauper.
William Broom. 10.


William  & Family goes on to be Head Shepard to
Lord Berners of Keythorpe Hall Tugby in 1861.

There was an Isaac Vines (25) also in Knossington in 1841.
He is in Tilton - on - the - Hill in 1861.

MIKE.