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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 24 January 16 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Just checked Irish records

It is possible that Robert Kirkland was illegitimate

When he married Mary Jane Cullen on 29 August 1878 he gave his name as Robert Kirkland but stated his father was Henry McClean

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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 24 January 16 21:41 GMT (UK) »
I can't find Robert Kirkland's birth certificate to verify this

As previously stated, assuming he died in Scotland, it's his death certificate you need, not his birth certificate. There won't be a birth certificate, as he was born before the introduction of statutory birth registration in Ireland. There might or might not be a baptism record, but unless you know his baptismal name and where he was baptised you will struggle to find it.
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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 24 January 16 22:03 GMT (UK) »
David Kirkland was born 06-Jun-1889 at Richhill Parish, Armagh, address was Ballyloughan.

Father Robert Kirkland was a weaver

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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 24 January 16 23:37 GMT (UK) »
That is a different Robert & David Kirkland.  Robert Kirkland was a coal miner according to a census document and according to his son which is my Great Grandfather David Kirkland.  David Kirkland was born in Northern Ireland.  I know all the information on David Kirkland.  I just couldn't find the birth certificate for Robert Kirkland.  He was born in 1856 in Ireland and his mother's name was Kirkland but not his father's. 


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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #13 on: Monday 25 January 16 00:05 GMT (UK) »
He may have become a miner when he moved to Scotland.

Ann Jane Kirkland was born 30 December 1887 at Markethill, Armagh

Father Robert Kirkland again recorded as a weaver

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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #14 on: Monday 25 January 16 01:49 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps he was at some point but the census record I found said coal miner in 1901. If we are even talking about the same family. 

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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #15 on: Monday 25 January 16 08:35 GMT (UK) »
I just couldn't find the birth certificate for Robert Kirkland.

See above. There is no birth certificate to find. Registration of births did not exist in Ireland in 1856.

As already pointed out, the best you can hope for would be a baptism record.
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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #16 on: Monday 25 January 16 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps he was at some point but the census record I found said coal miner in 1901. If we are even talking about the same family. 

It seems fairly certain that not only is it the same family and that there were several other children you might not know about. If David and Mary Jane were alive in 1911 then it would be worth getting that census record to see how many children she had and how many were still living,

We've started with this family in the 1901 census in Scotland-
Robert, age 45, Coal Miner, born c1856 Ireland
Mary J., age 42, wife, born c1859, Ireland
John, age 22, Coal Miner, born c1879, Ireland
Robert E., age 19, Coal Miner, born c1882 Old Monkland
James, age 16, Tile Work Labourer, born c1885, Old Monkland
Joshua, age 14, Tile Work Labourer, born c1887, Old Monkland
Ann Jane, age 13, Scholar, born c1888, Ireland
David, age 11, Scholar, born c1890, Ireland
Nellie, age 10, Scholar, born c1891, Ireland
Minnie, age 10, Scholar, born c1891, Ireland
Sarah, age 8, Scholar, born c1893, Ireland

Some of the Irish births have been found already but here's a more complete list- all born Armagh, father- Kirkland, mother Cullen:
Margaret Kirkland born 25 June 1879
   Extract: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ3-P59
Ann Jane Kirkland born 30 Dec.1887 at Markethill, Armagh. Father- weaver
David Kirkland born 6 June 1889 at Richhill Parish, Armagh, address was Ballyloughan. Father- weaver
Eleanor Kirkland born 26 Apr.1891 (Nellie)
Mary Kirkland born 26 Apr.1891 (Minnie)
Sarah Kirkland born 8 Feb.1893
Samuel Kirkland born 14 Oct.1898
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: kirkland census look up please
« Reply #17 on: Monday 25 January 16 14:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you! That is the correct family and that is what I found as well on ancestryUK.  My great grandfather was David Kirkland c1890.  His birth year is the only thing that I knew for sure.  I know Robert Kirkland (his father) died before my great grandfather came to the United States in 1906.