Jacob Davies Rhosllanercrugog

[despair]

There is a wonderfully titled single unconnected record in familysearch.org for

Isabelle Davies-May 1836 Rosemedre,South,Wales,Yorkshire,England
Obviously the suspicion is that this is Rhosymedre
This purports to show she died in April 1915.As there is a death for such a name under Yorkshire,aged 61 this record looks like a mix of two different people(see below)
Irrespective of this there is a marriage of Isabella Davies to Thomas Metcalf in Wrexham 1861.
I can't find them in 1871 but they are in Gresford in 1881,1891,1901,1911(in the latter Isabella is a widow with married daughter(Hamer)etc

1881      5511 90 27
1891      4611 168 26
1901      5215 110 19
1911      Gresford(too long to type!)

Isabella Metcalf died aged 91 in 1927(Wrexham area)
Roger

[despair]

In Ancestry.com there is a family tree under the name Newton that has
Louisa Davies b.1851 Ireland
Parents Jacob Davies and Mary
Spouse David Phillips
Died Willington,Co. Durham

There is an 1871 marriage,Wrexham district,that matches this and census data:-

1881  3781 107  47   Orrell,Lancs
1891  4074  21  44    Co. Durham

The death is probably the 1892 record for Co. Durham rather than the 1894.

Roger

[Gadget]

Hi Roger

I think many of the Ancestry trees are suspect and all the dates and sources have to be checked out.

I recommend going to original (or very reliable)  sources before committing them to a tree.  Otherwise, it's speculative only.



gnu

[Lolly Willowes]

 Will have a look at sources and see how how much further I can go now you've set me off.
Thanks to both of you.

[despair]

Hi gnu
I agree entirely with your comments-I was only pointing out the existence of the record as a lead(I have no access).At least in this case the census data,presumably reliable,appears to corroborate the basic premise of the record title/summary.
Roger

[despair]

A few more(and final) references for your consideration:

1871    5651 113 17
This may be Isabella as Medcalf

1871    5653 29 54

This looks like the "missing" parts of Jacob's family,with a comment on the original re an administrative mix up.There are questions as usual re dates
(Mary appears not to have aged,but is wife of a bricklayer,Louisa is born in Staffordshire and there is an Albert who cross links with Jacob's record in 1881.

In the Blackwell Index(non conformist)there are two nearly identical records

Rhosllanerchgrugog Calvinist
1.Mary Wright born 02/071830 Father Joseph Wright(Blacksmith) Afongoch
                                                           Mary(mmn Jones)
2.Mary Wright born 12/07/1830 Father Joseph Wright(Blacksmith) Ruabon
                                                            Mary(mpn Jones)
Both records have baptism 04/10/1830

Roger

[Gadget]

The 1871 find looks very interesting, Roger, and makes me wonder what was going on  , We have Jacob, described as a farmer, living in Gardden ( Penycae - ish)  and Mary, described as a Brickmaker's wife, livinging in Pentrefelin, Rhos.

Children with Mary -  Louisa, 15 (b.c. 1856); Albert, 5 (b.c. 1866)
Children with Jacob - John, 15 (b.c. 1856); Elizabeth, 13 (b.c. 1858); Jacob, 9 (b.c. 1862).

Compare this with the children on the 1861, that I listed above:

Louisa, 8, b. Ireland
Mary Ann, 6, b. Staffs
John, 4, b. -do-
Elizabeth, ,3 b. -do
Jacob, 1, b. Denbs

Map link to show the relationship of Gardden to Rhos:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0g0e/

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More to think about re the Farmer/Brickmaker occupation and the marriage and ages of Louisa and Elizabeth:

Rhosymedre Parish Registers
Marriages
27 Sept 1871 Louisa Davies (sp. 19) of Rhos - father Jacob Davies (farmer) AND Godfrey Pemberton, policeman (ba. 27) of Liverpool (* If Louisa was the same one as living with Mary earlier in the year, she's aged 4 years - probably 18 and mistranscribed by the enumerator[/i]!)  *Added - David Phillips, farmer, aged 21

3rd July 1876 Elizabeth Davies (sp 19) of Flint - father Jacob Davies (brickmaker) AND John Jones of Flint.

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Not sure about the Mary baptisms as I've also found possibles in the Ruabon parish records. I think mary Wright was more common that Jacob Davies.

In relation to the John and Mary Davies , probably parents of Jacob - I've checked for marriages in Ruabon OPRs 1813-1839  but nothing showing. They could have married in a neighbouring parish. Nothing for them on the 1851 so they must have died.

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Have you located a birth reg for Albert (b.c 1866?)


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gnu

[despair]

I had stopped looking other than the reference below because I got the impression from "Lolly's" last response that there was a real desire to carry on by herself(?) from the info given to date.I only provided what I did as I thought the Blackwell Index ref might provide a completely new angle and the Louisa/Ireland/Staffs might prevent unnecessary searching

Staffordshire BMD
Louisa Davies 1852 Tunstall  TUN/018/046   Mothers Maiden Name:Wright

I will wait for"Lolly" to respond before I do anything further

Roger

[Gadget]

Sorry, Roger, I'm puzzled by your last reply. You seem to still be looking but yet you say that you're not. Have you changed your mind since this morning 

I gather from Lolly's initial request and earlier replies that she was keen to work out the 1851-1881 census listings. This I worked through with her in the early postings and also found a possible set of parents for Jacob. .  I'm still trying to work out what happened to Mary and Jacob's relationship, which was one of the problems. And also Jacob's change of occupations.  Your 1871 find makes it more puzzling.


gnu