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Goulding(Golding?)/Carter family of Newport
« on: Tuesday 25 October 11 11:34 BST (UK) »
On her marriage certificate, my grandmother Jessie Golding gives her father's name as George Golding, a coal miner (marriage in June 1907, Pontypridd, to John Francis).

I've found her on the 1911 census in Taff's Well, Cardiff, age 26, born Aberdare, Glamorgan; and in 1901 she is a 16 year old servant in Pontypridd.

The family are living in Castleford, West Yorkshire in 1891:
George Goulding, age 37, coal miner, born Newport, Mon
Elizabeth Goulding, wife, age 27, born Newport, Mon
Agnes Goulding, dau, age 12, born Cwmbran, Mon
Edgar G Goulding, son, age 8, born Neath, Glam
Jessie E Goulding, dau, age 6, born Aberdare, Glam

...and in 1881 they are in Trevethin with Pontypool:
Emma Morgan, head, widow, age 41, licensed victualler, born Wellington, Shropshire
Elizabeth Carter, dau, age 16, born Newport, Mon
George Goulding, boarder, single, age 28, coal miner, born Malpas, Mon
Agnes Goulding, dau to boarder, age 3, born Cwmbran

I have found Jessie registered with the surname Carter (no father shown, mother is Eliza Carter), and am unable to find any marriage for George Goulding and Elizabeth Carter, although they registered their subsequent children with the surname Goulding.

I'd really appreciate some suggestions as to how I work backwards and correctly identify the parentage of George and Elizabeth without relying on father's names from a marriage certificate.

Many thanks.  Patricia



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Re: Goulding(Golding?)/Carter family of Newport
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 02 November 11 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Hiya and welcome to Rootschat.Ive looked and agree dont think George and Eliza married.So i looked for George in earlier censues have only come up with one possible?

1861 Christchurch,Newport
RG9 piece 4013 Folio 67 Page 15
William Goulding,Head,55,Ag Lab,Charfield ,Glou
Sarah Goulding,Wife,49,Goldcliff Monmouthshire
George Goulding,Son,10,Christchurch,Mon
Abraham Goulding,Son,6,Christchurch

1871 10 Stable row,Upper Llanfrechva ,Mon
Sarah Golding,Head,52,Goldcliff,Mon
William Golding,Son,28,Coalminer,Newport
George Golding,Son,20,Coalminer,Newport
Abraham Golding,Son,16,Haulier,Newport

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Re: Goulding(Golding?)/Carter family of Newport
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 November 11 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Another line to try would be to send for Agness birth cert (qtr june 1878 pontypool)as she was registered Goulding so possibly George was married to her Mother you could then send for their marriage cert when you have Agness mothers name off birth cert and that would then give you Georges Father and you can see if this matches with the census above? I see that Jessie and Edgar were registered Carter.
I cannot find Georges birth, amended -but his brothers is on free bmd Abraham  Golding Qtr dec 1854 Newport,Mon

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Amor/Amer-Bromham Wiltshire,Hertfordshire,Suffolk.
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Wolfenden-Cambridgeshire,Huntingdonshire
Bird,Nash-Essex.
Anderson,-London.Bethnal Green,Shoreditch,Hackney
King-,Uxbridge,Shoreditch,Bethnal Green
Edwards,Roberts,Lane,Price,Williams-Llanelli.
Roberts-Pembroke Dock

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Re: Goulding(Golding?)/Carter family of Newport
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 November 11 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for the detailed information etc Welsh Lady - being new to Rootschat I am digesting all these facts and grateful for suggestions for new lines of research.
Best Wishes.  mia1945

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Re: Goulding(Golding?)/Carter family of Newport
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 February 12 04:16 GMT (UK) »
Trying to find Parents of a Glaticia or Gladice Jones who married John Goulding on 15 Jan 1848 in Bedwelty and came to America about 1858, settling in Ohio, then California and later in Utah.  John and Glaticia were parents of Brigham Goulding, my gr-grandfather. John died 1895 in Garfield Co, UT and Glaticia died some time after 1880.

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Re: Goulding(Golding?)/Carter family of Newport
« Reply #5 on: Friday 09 March 12 08:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your response to my inquiry but I cannot see any family connection here at the moment.  If one does come to light in the future will be in touch.  Best wishes.

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Re: Goulding(Golding?)/Carter family of Newport
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 March 12 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat, bookcollector!  ;D

It would be a good idea to ask a moderator to split off your query into a separate post. In the meantime, do you have a copy of the 1848 marriage cert as that should give the name & occupation of Gladice's father?

John Goulding march qtr 1848 Abergavenny vol 26 pg 36 with Gladice Jones on the same page

You can get a copy from the GRO

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

1851 census gives a Breconshire birth place for Gladice
Machen, Monmouthshire HO107/2453 folio 524 pg 17
John Goulding head mar 27 coal miner b. Monmouthshire, Sirhowy
Gladice wife 27 b. Breconshire
Mary dau 5 months b. Machen
George Evance(?) lodger 23 coal miner b. Somerset, Burton

Gladice's place of birth is difficult to make out, but it begins with D & ends in og, so probably Defynnog.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Defynnog/index.html
Cornwall: Allen, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Tebb