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Carmarthen Tin Works
« on: Thursday 27 October 11 17:54 BST (UK) »
I am trying to research the Carmarthen Tin Works where a number of my relations worked in the late 19c . Help in pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated .Many thanks

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Re: Carmarthen Tin Works
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 October 11 00:32 BST (UK) »
Hello Keith  :)

Welcome to Rootschat!

Genuki has some info on Robert Morgan and the start of the iron industry in Carmarthen:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Carmarthen/Lloyd.html

There was the Thomas, Lester & Company tinworks at the end of Priory Street,which employed about 190 men and about 100 women in the 1870s. Also iron foundries employed about 60.

By the end of the 19th century the tinworks was in decline because they were remote from sources of raw materials and they could not compete with the mass production in some of the larger industrial towns. The workforce at Thomas, Lester & Company was halved between 1895 and 1900, and it closed around 1901.  There had been a lengthy strike due to lower wages enforced in an attempt to keep the company going, and this didn't help matters.

Gathering the jewels has this picture of an iron bell made in Carmarthen in 1802:
http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/small/item/GTJ23067/

Sorry if you already have this information!  :D

Your best bet is to visit Carmarthen Archives, if you haven't already done so. They have copies of Carmarthen Journal which will have intresting snippets about the works and the workers.

Kind regards
Morgan

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Re: Carmarthen Tin Works
« Reply #2 on: Friday 28 October 11 00:38 BST (UK) »
Some references to tin workers and a manager in here:
http://carmarthenshirehistorian.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Historian/SomeBygoneSocialFrictions

Another Genuki article:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/NevillLlanelly.html

This from Carmarthen Journal of July 10th 1874
"Those among the locked-out tin-plate workers who have sense enough not to scorn the liberal offer which the masters have made in precise terms this week, have now had placed before them an opportunity of returning to work at the rates of wages which were being paid previous to the lock out.
The great number of men wandering about idle and starving, in all parts of South Wales where there are tin-plate works, has already been considerably reduced and will continue steadily to be made smaller by degrees until there is something like a thorough escape from the extremely unhappy state of matters which has been in existence for some time past.
Those of the workers however, who care to follow the unworthy example set them by men who were previous to the lock-out, in the employ of Messrs Thomas, Lester & Co, Carmarthen, will have a continuance of their present lamentable, and we cannot but think distasteful condition of life.
We fervently trust for the sake of the independence of the working man that the followers of the workmen to whom we have referred will be few; and we are even inclined to hope that the determination arrives at by various sets of workmen not to return to work at the old terms will now be cancelled.
This we are more encouraged to look for seeing that by the turn of affairs have taken this week it is plain ....even to those who have up to the present time been blind for that best of reasons they would not see ....that there is no possibility of the men gaining their ground, the fact being that the employers do not have it in their power to grant their demands; the markets will not allow it."

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Re: Carmarthen Tin Works
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 30 October 11 14:13 GMT (UK) »
Morgan , many thanks for the information and links . All of this is news to me and much appreciated !
Thanks again . Keith


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Re: Carmarthen Tin Works
« Reply #4 on: Monday 31 October 11 00:34 GMT (UK) »
According to an 1873 survey, wages at the tinworks were 30 shillings for tinhouse men, 35 shillings for hammermen. Labourers were paid 15-18 shillings a week, foundrymen 25 shillings a week, weavers 20sh, masons 24-27sh, plumbers 30sh.

Coal was 22sh a ton

From "Local government in the good old days, or economic survey for 1873" by David Owen, MBE, 1949

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0g8z/

Another interesting site:
http://www.terrynorm.ic24.net/aberlash.htm#3

The address of J*wson builders merchants is The Old Tinworks Priory St, Carmarthen, SA31 1NR

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Re: Carmarthen Tin Works
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 February 12 22:13 GMT (UK) »
This book by Charles Wilkins, The History of the Iron and Tinplate Trades, is available online, e.g. at http://www.archive.org/details/historyofironste00wilkrich - it will give you some intersting background though it's unlikely to name any workers, only owners and managers. Out of copyright so a legit download from archive.org. There is a museum at Kidwelly  - see http://www.kidwellyindustrialmuseum.co.uk/ - which is on the site of a tinworks; its website is worth a visit even if Kidwelly is too far for you. We enjoyed our visit there a few years ago (before I discovered that remoter members of my family were involved in the industry).
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