frederick tyler

[mickjohn]

b.1857 chelmsford believe he was one of a twin(george)would like to find mothers maiden name, believe his father was james, no details on father as yet.help would be appreciated

[Sharon01]

Hi,

This looks like the family in 1871.

Address Galleywood Road, Great Baddow, Essex

Susanah Tyler 44 Head married born Boreham Essex
Daniel Tyler 16 son, groom born Springfield Essex
Frederick Tyler 14 son, ag lab born Chelmsford
George Tyler 14 son, ag lab born Chelmsford
Eliza Tyler 12 dau born Margaretting, Essex
Alfred Tyler 10 son born Margaretting, Essex
John Tyler 7 son born Great Baddow
Joseph Tyler 5 son born Chelmsford

Sharon
 

 

[Sharon01]

Frederick Tyler
Date of Registration Apr-Jun 1856
Registration district Chelmsford, Essex
Vol 4a Page 12

George is also on the same page.

Sharon

[mickjohn]

looks promising sharon, ta for that, any joy on mother maiden! and husband

[Ladyhawk]

b.1857 chelmsford believe he was one of a twin(george)would like to find mothers maiden name, believe his father was james

Family difficult to find on 1861 census tried using just the first names from 1871c provided by Sharon01 it could be a really bad transcription of their surname

Possibly (Susannah)
Susan Tylerb1831 Boreham occ Dom Servant is in the Chelmsford Union Workhouse in 1881
census states 'married' 

There's this James & Susannah on 1851c

1851 HO107; Piece: 1775; Folio: 460; Page: 15 surname transcribed Fyler
James Tyler 28 G Baddow Essex Blacksmith
Susannah 24 (1827) Boreham
Jane 4 (1847) Boreham

Only marriage I can see for Essex right time frame  on FreeBMD is for a James TAYLOR

Mar 1846 Lexden & C (district of Essex) vol 12 page 187
James Taylor
Other names on same page
Susannah Burrows
Hannah Butcher
Samuel Perry

There is a Susannah Burrows on 1841c civil parish Aldham Lexden Essex

1841c HO107; Piece 335; Book: 1; ED: 8; Folio: 7; Page: 11
John Burrows 50 Ag Lab
Eliza 45
James 20
SUSANNAH 14
All born in this county

Ordering the birth certificate of Frederick or George as given by Sharon01 may be the only way to find out their mother’s maiden name - then you can look for a marriage

[mickjohn]

lots to gigest, ladyhawk,will have look later on anc when i go up library.many thanks mick

[Ladyhawk]

will have look later  when i go up library

1871 Galleywood Road, Great Baddow, Essex
Susanah Tyler 44 Head married born Boreham Essex
Daniel Tyler 16 son, groom born Springfield Essex
Frederick Tyler 14 son, ag lab born Chelmsford
George Tyler 14 son, ag lab born Chelmsford
Eliza Tyler 12 dau born Margaretting, Essex
Alfred Tyler 10 son born Margaretting, Essex
John Tyler 7 son born Great Baddow
Joseph Tyler 5 son born Chelmsford 

Hi Mick I had another look to see if I could find Susannah, Daniel ,Frederick, George & Eliza Tyler  on the 1861 census  - no luck I'm afraid

Did you have any luck finding them to comfirm if their father was James occ Blacksmith from 1851c married to Susannah?

I think I have found the correct Frederick born c1857 Chelmsford & George on later censuses

1881 RG11; Piece: 682; Folio: 12; Page: 18;
69 Clayton road Camberwell
Frederick Tyler 24 (1857) Chelmsford Grocer Porter
Elizabeth 20 Ellisborough Buckinghamshire
Herbert E Peckham Camberwell

looks as if he married Elizabeth Cooper 1880 possibly his brother George is one of the witnesses &  father named as James Tyler occ Blacksmith (not noted as deceased)

Frederick Tyler Grocer father James occ Blacksmith abode Clayton Road Peckham
married 21/11/1880 St Giles Camberwell both full age, all signed
Elizabeth Cooper father George Labourer abode Marlborough Road
Witnesses G Tyler & Mary Cooper

1891 RG12; Piece: 405; Folio 86; Page 32
20 Ingleton Street
Frederick Tyler 33 Essex Groom Stableman
Elizabeth 30 Buckcingham
Herbert 10  Peckham
Frederick 8 Bixton
Harold 6 Surnford Green London
Alfred 4 Bixton
Harry 2
Frank 1

All children baptized St. Michael Lambeth abode 20 Ingleton St. parents Frederick & Elizabeth
Fred’s occupations either Coachman or Stableman

Herbert Edwin b 22/2/1881 bapt. 22/8/1886
? George born 22/9/1882 bapts same day Herbert
Walter Alfred b 18/7/1886 bapt same day Herbert
Harold born 1/5/1884 bapt same day Herbert
Harry Ernest 19/9/1888 born 7/8/1888
Frank 19/3/1890 born 16/2/1890
Elizabeth Anne Caroline 24/4/1892 born 20/3/1892
Edward 7/5/1894 born 19/1/1894
Edith Fanny 6/5/1896 born 14/4/1896
Stanley 29/3/1899 born 22/2/1899

1901 RG13; Piece: 1175; Folio: 46; Page: 41
18 George’s Street Staines
Fredk Tyler 43 Chelmsford  Essex Grana?y Labourer
Elizabeth 40 Ellisborough Bucks
Fredk 18  Brixton Packer ? Stores
Alfred 14 Grocers Errand Boy
Harry 12
Frank 11
Elizabeth 9
Edward 7
Edith 4

for info.
Frederick's son Herbert Edwin Tyler occ. Grocer’s Asst.  enlisted Royal Army Medical Corps age 18 Regt No 12965 some info. from the records 5ft 2 3/4 inches  Complexion Dark Eyes Greyish Hazel Hair Dark Brown  married 21/9/11 Curepipe Mauritius Kate May Brusk? children
Edith Kate H…uia born 24/7/12 Military Families Hosp Curepipe Mauritius 24/7/12 bapt. St Clements Church Curepipe  & D…? Herbert Frederick 2/1/14  "          "             "
Edward Walter 3/5/15 St Peter’s Nursing Insitiution St. Albans Herts 3/5/15 bapt. Christchurch St Albans


1881 RG11; Piece: 321; Folio: 4; Page: 3
(Head William Martin Master Cheesemonger empl 4 men 1 boy)
George Tyler servant  23 Chelmsford occ Shopman & Cheesmonger

Possible marriage
George Tyler Cheesmonger father James occ Blacksmith deceased
Married 6/6/1881 St Simon Zelotes Chelsea
Mary Ann Mabbs f Henry Ironmonger (Deceased)
Both of full age & 32 Cadogan Street, all signed
Wits Richard Harlow & Eliza Tyler

1891 RG12; Piece: 1033; Folio 129; Page 19
George Tyler 34 Chelmsford Postman
Mary A 36 St Pancras London
Arthur H 7 Chiswick
William 3
Ernest 1
Susan Tyler mother widow 70 Boreham living on own means

1901 RG13; Piece: 1182; Folio: 73; Page: 19
George Tyler 44 Chelmsford Gardener (not Domestic)
Mary A 45 Somers Town London
Arthur H 19 Chiswick Railway Servant GWR
Herbert W 12
Ernest G 11
Florence M 5

As stated previously obtaining either Frederick's or George's birth certificates will confirm mother & fathers name & occupation

Please let us know how you get on 

[mickjohn]

Ladyhawk. many thanks will follow the leads you given me regards mick

[DCarli]

Just reading through this post, I know it's an old one, but wondered how far you'd proceeded with this line of Tyler's. George Tyler was my great grandfather, took me ages to finalise his Birth, marriages and death, but got there in the end, right down to finding his grave stone.
I am  now working on his father James Tyler married Susannah Howard qtr Dec 1850, so just asking if you'd care to share any info with me.