John Kelly 1861 pls - COMPLETED with thanks

[Nickb]

Could anyone please see if they can find a John Kelly in Hull on the 1861 census.

The little bit of information I have, is as follows:

From the 1871 census, he was born in Scotland around 1838. The year of his birth is supplemented by his death certificate stating that he died in Hull prison in December 1871, aged 33.
On the 1871 census, he is living with his mother Catherine Taylor, and his three daughters in Trippett Street, Hull.

He marries Mary Jane Oliver in 1861, but I am not sure if this was before or after the census. Mary Jane was born c.1845 in Hull. Is there any hance that she can be found in the 1861 census also?

I'd like to see if the 1861 census shows his birth place in Scotland, or if he is with his parents, either of their birth places.

Regards,
Nick.

[cati]

The only  John Kelly I can see in Hull in1861 is a 20 year old moulder in a Common Lodging House at 24, Salthouse Lane, St Marys, Kingston Upon Hull.
Cati

[cati]

This is the only likely Mary Oliver in Hull on the 1861:

WRIGHT, Mary Wife Married F 56 1805 Wife Of (something) Seaman At Sea
 York Hull   
WRIGHT, William C Son Unmarried M 25 1836 Clerk & Watch Maker
 York Hull 
OLIVER, Mary Servant Unmarried F 14 1847 House Servant
 York Hull

Address: 2, George Yard, Holy Trinity, Kingston Upon Hull, Hull

Cati

[Bee]

Hi
John Kelly & Mary Jane Oliver married after the census, in the September 1/4 1861 at St Andrews church, Drypool

Bee

[Nickb]

Thanks to you both,

Not the perfect answers as neither are with their parents.

New Year brings a visit to the register office to get the marriage certificate.

Can I be bold and ask if either show on the 1851 census for Hull. John may not be there as I cannot be sure when he comes to Hull but as far as I know Mary was born in Hull.
John may be the son of another John (a boilermaker) & catherine. Cati: does the 1861 show John's birthplace?

regards

nick

[Bee]

Hi Nick

If you can visit the archives in Beverley, you will be able to see (on a fiche) the marriage certificate, it'll save you the £9 or however much a cert costs now.

Bee
 

[Nickb]

Thanks Bee

Never thought of that.

Looks like I will have a bit to keep me busy in the new year

Nick

[z]

Hi Nick

I hope that I am not interrupting but found this ...............

1861 RG9 3580 14 21 - Civil Parish Drypool - Town Kingston Upon Hull - Address 7 Stubbing?

William Jones Head mar 32 Yorks Beverley
Mary a wife 32 Yorks Whitby
Richard son 2 Yorks Whitby
/
Edward McGragh Head mar 43 Ireland - Lab Iron Yard
Catherine wife 36 Ireland
Mary A daugh 10 Lancashire
Hannah daugh 8 Leeds Yorkshire
James son 3 Leeds Yorkshire
John Kelly visitor unmar 22 Scotland - Boiler Maker
//

Regards

Z

[Bee]

Hi

May or may not be relevant but the 1861 census for Drypool has the following entry
Young Street, Jane Oliver, head, widow,68, proprietor of houses, born Kelso Scotland.

happy hunting
Bee