John Cruttenden

[trish1120]

Confirmination of one Record but a year later;
John CRITTENDEN Christened 24 Oct 1765, Boughton-Malherbe, Kent to THOS/ELIZTH
(Source Familysearch.Org)

[sputnik]

Thank you Trish. What I need now is someone with access to the Lenham parish records to verify these submitted baptisms. The John Walter you refer to could be my missing John father of John and brother of George.

[BettyofKent]

Lenham Christenings

20th July 1805
John Walker, son of John & Elizabeth CRUTTENDEN?

16th Dec 1796 Thomas, son of John & Elizabeth CRUTTENDEN

11th Sept 1807 Elizabeth, dau of "           "                   "
31st July 1809 Matilda, dau of     "           "                   "

Nothing for a George. (There was only one baptism in 1803 & that was for a John PEPPER)
The only Winifred is the dau of Peter & Elizabeth CRUTTENDEN (Miller) 7th Aug 1814

Nothing for Ann.
Frances, bap 15th March 1800, son of John & Elizabeth CHITTENDEN


Lenham Marriage
19th Dec 1795  By Licence
John CRUTTENDEN, otp
Elizabeth HARRISSON, Boughton Mal
Witnesses: Jn BARKER, Tho WALKER

Tho WALKER might be the confirmation that baby John's middle name is Walker & not Walter

I'll give you Lydia FRIEND's family next.


Betty

Submitted Info IGI;
John Walter CRUTTENDEN Christened 26 July 1805, Lenham, Kent
Parents John CRUTTENDEN and Elizabeth HARRISON

Siblings, all Christened Lenham, Kent;
THOMAS 16 Dec 1796, Died 20 April 1844, Lewisham, London
ANN 19 June 1798
FRANCIS 23 March 1800 (Death 1859 Maidstone, Kent)
GEORGE 13 May 1803****
WINIFRED 1814

John CRUTTENDEN Christened 24 Oct 1764 Boughton Malherbe, Kent
Death 20 June 1839, Milton by Sittinghbourne, Kent

Elizabeth HARRISON Christened 15 Dec 1771 Boughton Malherbe, Kent

Marriage of John/Elizabeth 19 Dec 1795, Lenham, Kent

All of this needs to be checked as it is Submitted.

Trish

[BettyofKent]

Nice to find a connection with another RootsChatter, but goodness knows what exactly

Lydia Ann FRIEND
Baptised Northbourne 13th May 1821

Father
William FRIEND
Born c1774, Northbourne
Buried 11th Mar 1858, Northbourne

Mother
Jane KEMP
Bap 21st Apr 1776, Northbourne
Buried 16th April 1869, Northbourne age 93


William & Jane married 19th Jan 1798, Northbourne.

Seven known children from 1805 to 1821
Details if you need them.

That's all I have on William in my tree, but I will look at the PR transcripts to see if there's more.


Betty

Thanks everyone for the information.

Betty we have a mutual ancestor. Frances Fittall is my husbands great great grandmother. Any information on Lydia Freind and family would be really useful.


Thanks again

[BettyofKent]

Back another generation with Jane's parents:

Father:
Daniel KEMP
My notes for Daniel:
Four Burials for a Daniel Kemp in Northbourne:
2nd Feb 1818 (*age 3mths, of Finglesham)
22nd Dec 1818 (Nothing for a Daniel, only a David for this date)
17th Nov 1823 (*age 79, of Northbourne)
25th Jan 1837 (*age 49, of Northbourne)
All from FamilySearch Pilot
* From PRs CDs

So most likely burial is the 1823 one, giving his birth c1744.


Jane's Mother:
Susanna WOODWARD
Buried 3rd Jan 1844 in Northbourne, age 97, so born c1747.

Marriage:
14th May 1774
Daniel KEMP of Eastry
Susanna WOODWARD otp
Witnesses: Len Woodward, Richard Parker

Seven known children for this marriage.



Betty

[BettyofKent]

Not much more to add

Baptism, Northbourne
1774 16th Oct
William, son of John & Elisabeth FRIEND.

No marriage in Northbourne for John & Elisabeth.

No baptism in Northbourne for Susanna WOODWARD.



Betty

[sputnik]

Thank you Betty for all that information which I have entered on my tree.
I have found a few bits of information concerning Richard Fittall and siblings which you may or may not have got.

From the England and Wales Non Conformist Record Indexes
"Richard Fittall son of John Fittall and Anne his wife of the parish of Sibertswold was born April 30th 1822 registered June 4th 1822 by me John Giles Protestant Dissenting Minister"

"John Fittall son of John Fittall and Anne his wife of the parish of Sibberswold was born October 7th 1817 registered November 11th 1817  by me John Giles Protestant Dissenting Minister"

"William Fittall son of John Fittall and Anne his wife of the parish of Sibberswold was born May 11th 1819 registered October 8th 1819  by me John Giles Protestant Dissenting Minister"

"Stephen Fittall son of John Fittall and Anne his wife of the parish of Shepherdswell was born the fourth of August 1824 registered October the 4th 1824  by me John Giles Protestant Dissenting Minister"

These were all from Eythorne Baptist Chapel.
Interesting to see how the village name changes over a few years.

Returning to the Cruttendens I was pleased to receive your information about the Lenham Christenings but I was a bit surprised you could find no mention of George as he is consistently listed as Lenham born in the censuses. Do you think your source records are complete or could he have been baptised in one of the surrounding parishes? I really need to tie him in with John Cruttenden senior and junior to connect John and Frances to John Cruttenden and Elizabeth Harrison . If this could be proved it would make the link more likely with the Harrissons covered in the  Re:Lenham Parish Register Lookup - HARRISSON posting I mentioned. If this link could be proven it would be really great and I could probably add several generations .

I would be very grateful for the details you have on the seven known children of William and Jane Friend or indeed any other you may think of that could be relevant .

Thanks again
Elizabeth

[BettyofKent]

Lenham baptisms have got a fair number of children for every year, except 1802 which shows just two & 1803 which shows only one. This must be very unusual, which makes me think a lot of baptisms for these two years are missing.

Thank you for the notes about John, William & Stephen. I didn't have this information, so will keep these notes. A Fitall (one T) is in my direct line, John Fitall born c1786 in Deal, (married Ann Wickers) Deal is near enough to Northbourne & Shepherdswell/Sibberswold to make me wonder if it's all the same family.

The children of William & Jane to follow.


Betty

[BettyofKent]

I've found another child for William & Jane (I didn't have Robert in my tree) & I've found my direct line in all this

Baptisms, Northbourne:

1800 10th Nov, Robt. son of William & Jane FRIEND
1805 17th Mar, George, son of Willm. & Jane
1807 26th Apr, Richard, son of Willm. & Jane
1809 9th Apr, Charles, son of Willm. & Jane
1811 7th Apr, Daniel Kemp, son of William & Jane
1813 10th Jan, James, son of   William & Jane                 Notes: Serv't in Hasbridge. otp
1815 17th Sep, Charlotte Elizth, dau of William & Jane      Notes: Lab. otp
1821 13th May, Lydia Ann, dau of William & Jane             Notes: Servt in husbandry. otp



Daniel KEMP & Susanna WOODWARD are my greatx4 grandparents.

Daniel & Susanna's children, baptised in Northbourne:

1774 20th Nov, Elisabeth
1776 21st Apr, Jane
1778 2nd Aug, Thomas
1780 20th Aug, Susanna
1781 16th Dec, William
1783 21st Sep, Mary
1788 2nd Nov, Sarah  (my greatx3 grandmother)


Betty